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Isn't Bluesky supposed to be decentralized? How can some party lock you out of it?

by TekMol 9mo ago

Imustaskforhelp 9mo ago
Well Bluesky/the protocol behind it is decentralized but the dm (direct message) functionality itself isn't decentralized and bluesky even mentions it/shows it that its unencrypted and centralized iirc
- TekMol 9mo ago
  Hmm.. so the public channel is decentralized but the private channel is not. There is actually a technical solution to that then. Use the public channel to send/receive private messages. Every could publish a public key. Then everyone could send private messages to everyone by encrypting them with the public key of the receiver and sending them over the public channel. Shall we try it? My public key: -----BEGIN PUBLIC KEY----- MFwwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQADSwAwSAJBAKs9CbOAxSROEdm/+QGyDLdxITTq+YdbmIlOM0jemqKvLXinnBUDeDRSGXOoCnygXLFsm6R31szySqiVunasX/8CAwEAAQ== -----END PUBLIC KEY----- You can send me a private message by encrypting it here: https://anycript.com/crypto/rsa https://anycript.com/crypto/rsa And then pasting the encrypted version into a reply to this comment :)
  - alwa 9mo ago
    Paste my private keys into a form control on the web? What could go wrong?
    - vel0city 9mo ago
      Who doesn't review all the several megabytes of minified JavaScript for every page they visit?
    - ShowalkKama 9mo ago
      he's asking you to paste his public key, not your private one.
  - Imustaskforhelp 9mo ago
    Although I enjoy the public key/private key ideas, If you wish to talk encrypted, one of the best ways to do such could be having signal if you don't mind centralization But if you want decentralization some options i can recommend are matrix,simplex,session etc. But to be honest, there is a good point that you raise about how to talk decentralized on bluesky well, one of the ideas that I can think of right now, is that someone can use https://keyoxide.org/ https://keyoxide.org/ and paste in their public key and also connect both bluesky and matrix and then have the keyoxide as part of something public like a comment The problem in this is that it becomes tedious and does add more friction to the whole thing but definitely possible.
wmf 9mo ago
If you choose to use a centralized frontend to access Bluesky (everyone does this) and that frontend has to follow laws because it's run by a corporation... that's what you get.
- nightpool 9mo ago
  There is no way to access your DMs except using Bluesky's centralized backend server.

Isn't Bluesky supposed to be decentralized? How can some party lock you out of it?

by TekMol 9mo ago

Isn't Bluesky supposed to be decentralized? How can some party lock you out of it?

Well Bluesky/the protocol behind it is decentralized but the dm (direct message) functionality itself isn't decentralized and bluesky even mentions it/shows it that its unencrypted and centralized iirc

TekMol 9mo ago
Hmm.. so the public channel is decentralized but the private channel is not. There is actually a technical solution to that then. Use the public channel to send/receive private messages. Every could publish a public key. Then everyone could send private messages to everyone by encrypting them with the public key of the receiver and sending them over the public channel. Shall we try it? My public key: -----BEGIN PUBLIC KEY----- MFwwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQADSwAwSAJBAKs9CbOAxSROEdm/+QGyDLdxITTq+YdbmIlOM0jemqKvLXinnBUDeDRSGXOoCnygXLFsm6R31szySqiVunasX/8CAwEAAQ== -----END PUBLIC KEY----- You can send me a private message by encrypting it here: https://anycript.com/crypto/rsa https://anycript.com/crypto/rsa And then pasting the encrypted version into a reply to this comment :)
- alwa 9mo ago
  Paste my private keys into a form control on the web? What could go wrong?
  - vel0city 9mo ago
    Who doesn't review all the several megabytes of minified JavaScript for every page they visit?
  - ShowalkKama 9mo ago
    he's asking you to paste his public key, not your private one.
- Imustaskforhelp 9mo ago
  Although I enjoy the public key/private key ideas, If you wish to talk encrypted, one of the best ways to do such could be having signal if you don't mind centralization But if you want decentralization some options i can recommend are matrix,simplex,session etc. But to be honest, there is a good point that you raise about how to talk decentralized on bluesky well, one of the ideas that I can think of right now, is that someone can use https://keyoxide.org/ https://keyoxide.org/ and paste in their public key and also connect both bluesky and matrix and then have the keyoxide as part of something public like a comment The problem in this is that it becomes tedious and does add more friction to the whole thing but definitely possible.

wmf 9mo ago

If you choose to use a centralized frontend to access Bluesky (everyone does this) and that frontend has to follow laws because it's run by a corporation... that's what you get.

nightpool 9mo ago
There is no way to access your DMs except using Bluesky's centralized backend server.