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Pop _OS 24.04's New Scratch-Built Cosmic: Hands-On, with Screenshots

28 points by dxs 10mo ago

microflash 10mo ago
Since when did “scratch-built” become equivalent to “built from scratch”? As a non-native English speaker, do I need some more English classes? Cosmic looks very interesting and very unfinished. Maybe it is the teal accent, maybe it is janky transitions. Nonetheless, I’m happy to see some fresh Linux Desktop Environment.
- cmrdporcupine 10mo ago
  As a native English speaker I can tell you it's not normal phrasing. You're not taking crazy pills.
- kop316 10mo ago
  > Since when did “scratch-built” become equivalent to “built from scratch”? As a non-native English speaker, do I need some more English classes? As a native English Speaker, "scratch-built" is definitely not a common term (I was confused when I read this).
- mhanberg 10mo ago
  It's somewhat common in the context of cooking. A recipe may refer to something as "scratch made" when its "made from scratch". In this case, its an extension of the phrase but using the word built instead of made. Ref: https://grammarphobia.com/blog/2017/02/scratch-made.html https://grammarphobia.com/blog/2017/02/scratch-made.html
- HansardExpert 10mo ago
  They are both equivalent. Scratch-built is perfectly cromulant. My father used to talk about 'Scratch-building' his WWII dioramas and model vehicles/tanks. While you could use a phrase like 'Scratch-cooked' rather than cooking from scratch, I've never heard but someone would not think the former meant something different to the latter.
  - tracker1 10mo ago
    I've heard "scratch-made" applied to cooking before.
  - woleium 10mo ago
    I see what you did there. (cromulant was coined in a Simpsons episode)
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LollipopYakuza 10mo ago
> Cosmic provides a plethora of features that I don’t really use in my day-to-day computer operations That kind of defeats the purpose of the distro (or a big part of it at least).
- tracker1 10mo ago
  Well, they provide for both floating/pinning windows as well as a tiling behavior. You aren't necessarily going to use both, or switch between the two (though you can in different workspaces easily). Giving any choices defeats the purpose of a distro?
jchw 10mo ago
COSMIC seems cool, though I don't love the visual style myself. Someone I know who used it ran into the problem that it mounts network shares using a mount unit, which is good, but it doesn't add nofail, which is really really bad, because it means you hang at boot waiting for it to mount. I'm sure they'll figure this out, but I really have been wondering where to report this issue specifically; it's hard because I don't know where it actually exists in the code (and I couldn't find it quickly.)
ChrisArchitect 10mo ago
More discussion on the release: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46235618 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46235618

28 points by dxs 10mo ago

Since when did “scratch-built” become equivalent to “built from scratch”? As a non-native English speaker, do I need some more English classes? Cosmic looks very interesting and very unfinished. Maybe it is the teal accent, maybe it is janky transitions. Nonetheless, I’m happy to see some fresh Linux Desktop Environment.

cmrdporcupine 10mo ago
As a native English speaker I can tell you it's not normal phrasing. You're not taking crazy pills.
kop316 10mo ago
> Since when did “scratch-built” become equivalent to “built from scratch”? As a non-native English speaker, do I need some more English classes? As a native English Speaker, "scratch-built" is definitely not a common term (I was confused when I read this).
mhanberg 10mo ago
It's somewhat common in the context of cooking. A recipe may refer to something as "scratch made" when its "made from scratch". In this case, its an extension of the phrase but using the word built instead of made. Ref: https://grammarphobia.com/blog/2017/02/scratch-made.html https://grammarphobia.com/blog/2017/02/scratch-made.html
HansardExpert 10mo ago
They are both equivalent. Scratch-built is perfectly cromulant. My father used to talk about 'Scratch-building' his WWII dioramas and model vehicles/tanks. While you could use a phrase like 'Scratch-cooked' rather than cooking from scratch, I've never heard but someone would not think the former meant something different to the latter.
- tracker1 10mo ago
  I've heard "scratch-made" applied to cooking before.
- woleium 10mo ago
  I see what you did there. (cromulant was coined in a Simpsons episode)

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LollipopYakuza 10mo ago

> Cosmic provides a plethora of features that I don’t really use in my day-to-day computer operations That kind of defeats the purpose of the distro (or a big part of it at least).

tracker1 10mo ago
Well, they provide for both floating/pinning windows as well as a tiling behavior. You aren't necessarily going to use both, or switch between the two (though you can in different workspaces easily). Giving any choices defeats the purpose of a distro?

jchw 10mo ago

COSMIC seems cool, though I don't love the visual style myself. Someone I know who used it ran into the problem that it mounts network shares using a mount unit, which is good, but it doesn't add nofail, which is really really bad, because it means you hang at boot waiting for it to mount. I'm sure they'll figure this out, but I really have been wondering where to report this issue specifically; it's hard because I don't know where it actually exists in the code (and I couldn't find it quickly.)

ChrisArchitect 10mo ago

More discussion on the release: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46235618 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46235618