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Want to unsubscribe from this email? Ok, you can do it in one click, but we have 16 categories of emails we send you, so you'll still get the other 15! It's a d

Want to unsubscribe from this email? Ok, you can do it in one click, but we have 16 categories of emails we send you, so you'll still get the other 15! It's a dark pattern for sure.

jrootabega 10mo ago
And if you just add them to your spam filter, it won't even work easily, because they deliberately shift around the domains and subdomains they send from every so often.
- volkk 10mo ago
  this is where LLMs could actually help. create spam filters that an LLM can parse and deny if it looks close enough. but then again, hallucinations would be kind of terrible.
  - autoexec 10mo ago
    I agree this would be a good use of an LLM (assuming that it was running locally). I wouldn't put one in charge of deleting my messages, but I could see one being used to assign a score to messages and based on that score moving them out of my inbox into various folders for review.
    - jlarocco 10mo ago
      I'd be really interested to see a comparison between LLM spam scoring and a traditional spam scoring algorithm because an LLM is essentially a spam generator. Can that be used to make a better spam detector?
  - csomar 10mo ago
    Same can be achieved with a catch all domain and a sub for every service you use. Cost $13/year. Extra protection: now if you lose access to your email provider, you still have access to future emails.
- 05 10mo ago
  I just use a unique address for each service. Any email that gets leaked or is getting unsubscribe resistant spam is added to /etc/postfix/denied_recipients :)
  - Jolter 10mo ago
    Doesn’t sound like a very fun hobby, TBH.
    - osamagirl69 10mo ago
      no the op, but I find great joy in looking though who sends me spam (based on the unique email used to sign up for each service) I think it scratches a similar itch to putting up a game camera to see what sort of vermin are running around in your back yard.
      - nativeit 10mo ago
        You inevitably catch LexisNexis shitting in your herb garden and leaving squirrel carcasses lying about…
  - tastyfreeze 10mo ago
    Appending "+label" to the username part of an email address is legal and will be delivered to the username mailbox.
- SAI_Peregrinus 10mo ago
  Luckly they don't seem to shift the addresses they send to, so if you own the domain you use for email you can make dedicated addresses for each service you sign up for. Then filter based on the `to:` field.
pixl97 10mo ago
1.3076744e+12 -1 is a lot of categories to click.
- floxy 10mo ago
  1,307,674,368,000
  - nativeit 10mo ago
    [ ] 231,846,239,211 “Messages related to wetland fauna migratory patterns and their impact on commodity spice markets, also Pepsi advertising”
- permo-w 10mo ago
  e+ is such an unintuitive decimal representation system. going in blindly, it's completely non-obvious what "e" stands for, surely "d" would make far more sense. also, the namespace for e is plenty filled up as is, and, most of all, +12 implies 12 additional digits, not digits after the point Google's choice to use it for calculation results despite having essentially no restriction on text space always annoyed me. I think this is the first time I've seen a human using it
  - rmccue 10mo ago
    The use of E notation for scientific notation dates back to 1956: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_notation#:~:text=which%20comes%20from%20Fortran%20and%20was%20present%20in%20the%20first%20version%20released%20for%20the%20IBM%20704%20in%201956 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_notation#:~:text=wh... It’s also pretty common on scientific and graphing calculators; the first time I saw it was in junior school in maths.
  - quesera 10mo ago
    Nothing to do with Google. (Apologies if this is pedantic, but:) The letter "e" (for "exponent") has meant "multiplied by ten to the power of", since the dawn of computing (Fortran!), when it was impossible to display or type a superscripted exponent. In computing, we all got used to it because there was no other available notation (this is also why we use * for multiplication, / for division, etc). And it's intuitive enough, if you already know scientific notation, which Fortran programmers did. Scientific notation goes back even further, and is used when the magnitude of the number exceeds the available significant digits. E.g., Avogadro's number is 6.02214076 × 10⁻²³. In school we usually used it as 6.022 × 10⁻²³, which is easier to work with and was more appropriate for our classroom precision. In E notation, that'd be 6.022E-23. 1.3076744e+12 is 1.3076744 × 10¹². The plus sign is for the positive exponent, not addition. You could argue that the plus sign is redundant, but the clear notation can be helpful when working with numbers that can swing from one to the other.
s2l 10mo ago
And by unsubscribing, you just gave us a signal that you are active.
- DrewADesign 10mo ago
  They’re sad they can’t point that particular marketing hose at you, anymore, but appreciate confirming your validity as a lead they’ll sell to data brokers.
bux93 10mo ago
Thanks again for unsubscribing! This is your weekly reminder that you are still unsubscribed. As usual, we've included a little bonus for you to enjoy at the end of this unsubscribe-reminder e-mail: a complementary full edition of this week's newsletter!

Want to unsubscribe from this email? Ok, you can do it in one click, but we have 16 categories of emails we send you, so you'll still get the other 15! It's a dark pattern for sure.

jrootabega 10mo ago

And if you just add them to your spam filter, it won't even work easily, because they deliberately shift around the domains and subdomains they send from every so often.

volkk 10mo ago
this is where LLMs could actually help. create spam filters that an LLM can parse and deny if it looks close enough. but then again, hallucinations would be kind of terrible.
- autoexec 10mo ago
  I agree this would be a good use of an LLM (assuming that it was running locally). I wouldn't put one in charge of deleting my messages, but I could see one being used to assign a score to messages and based on that score moving them out of my inbox into various folders for review.
  - jlarocco 10mo ago
    I'd be really interested to see a comparison between LLM spam scoring and a traditional spam scoring algorithm because an LLM is essentially a spam generator. Can that be used to make a better spam detector?
- csomar 10mo ago
  Same can be achieved with a catch all domain and a sub for every service you use. Cost $13/year. Extra protection: now if you lose access to your email provider, you still have access to future emails.
05 10mo ago
I just use a unique address for each service. Any email that gets leaked or is getting unsubscribe resistant spam is added to /etc/postfix/denied_recipients :)
- Jolter 10mo ago
  Doesn’t sound like a very fun hobby, TBH.
  - osamagirl69 10mo ago
    no the op, but I find great joy in looking though who sends me spam (based on the unique email used to sign up for each service) I think it scratches a similar itch to putting up a game camera to see what sort of vermin are running around in your back yard.
    - nativeit 10mo ago
      You inevitably catch LexisNexis shitting in your herb garden and leaving squirrel carcasses lying about…
- tastyfreeze 10mo ago
  Appending "+label" to the username part of an email address is legal and will be delivered to the username mailbox.
SAI_Peregrinus 10mo ago
Luckly they don't seem to shift the addresses they send to, so if you own the domain you use for email you can make dedicated addresses for each service you sign up for. Then filter based on the `to:` field.

pixl97 10mo ago

1.3076744e+12 -1 is a lot of categories to click.

floxy 10mo ago
1,307,674,368,000
- nativeit 10mo ago
  [ ] 231,846,239,211 “Messages related to wetland fauna migratory patterns and their impact on commodity spice markets, also Pepsi advertising”
permo-w 10mo ago
e+ is such an unintuitive decimal representation system. going in blindly, it's completely non-obvious what "e" stands for, surely "d" would make far more sense. also, the namespace for e is plenty filled up as is, and, most of all, +12 implies 12 additional digits, not digits after the point Google's choice to use it for calculation results despite having essentially no restriction on text space always annoyed me. I think this is the first time I've seen a human using it
- rmccue 10mo ago
  The use of E notation for scientific notation dates back to 1956: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_notation#:~:text=which%20comes%20from%20Fortran%20and%20was%20present%20in%20the%20first%20version%20released%20for%20the%20IBM%20704%20in%201956 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_notation#:~:text=wh... It’s also pretty common on scientific and graphing calculators; the first time I saw it was in junior school in maths.
- quesera 10mo ago
  Nothing to do with Google. (Apologies if this is pedantic, but:) The letter "e" (for "exponent") has meant "multiplied by ten to the power of", since the dawn of computing (Fortran!), when it was impossible to display or type a superscripted exponent. In computing, we all got used to it because there was no other available notation (this is also why we use * for multiplication, / for division, etc). And it's intuitive enough, if you already know scientific notation, which Fortran programmers did. Scientific notation goes back even further, and is used when the magnitude of the number exceeds the available significant digits. E.g., Avogadro's number is 6.02214076 × 10⁻²³. In school we usually used it as 6.022 × 10⁻²³, which is easier to work with and was more appropriate for our classroom precision. In E notation, that'd be 6.022E-23. 1.3076744e+12 is 1.3076744 × 10¹². The plus sign is for the positive exponent, not addition. You could argue that the plus sign is redundant, but the clear notation can be helpful when working with numbers that can swing from one to the other.

s2l 10mo ago

And by unsubscribing, you just gave us a signal that you are active.

DrewADesign 10mo ago
They’re sad they can’t point that particular marketing hose at you, anymore, but appreciate confirming your validity as a lead they’ll sell to data brokers.

bux93 10mo ago

Thanks again for unsubscribing! This is your weekly reminder that you are still unsubscribed. As usual, we've included a little bonus for you to enjoy at the end of this unsubscribe-reminder e-mail: a complementary full edition of this week's newsletter!