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I've had the advertising settings disabled on my LG C2 for a while and yesterday I decided to browse the settings menu again and found that a couple new ones ha

by spike021 10mo ago

I've had the advertising settings disabled on my LG C2 for a while and yesterday I decided to browse the settings menu again and found that a couple new ones had been added and turned on by default. Good times.

BloondAndDoom 10mo ago
I’m using my tv with all the stuff disabled (the ones it’s possibly disable), but even then I realize I don’t trust them and I don’t trust their choices. Because they get to say sorry and not held responsible. I want smart tv because I want use my streaming services but that’s it. I also want high quality panels. Maybe the solution is high quality TVs where you just stick a custom HDMI device (similar to Amazon fire stick) and use it as the OS. Not sure if there are good open source options since Apple seems to be another company that keeps showing you ads even if you pay shit load of money for their hardware and software, Jobs must turning in his grave
- chasing0entropy 10mo ago
  The solution is a separate, internet connected device to play media connected to a non-connected tv.
  - catlikesshrimp 10mo ago
    Honest question: Why would "separate internet connected device", in the case of apple tv, firestick, roku, etc, won't do the same thing?
    - nativeit 10mo ago
      I think they probably would, with maybe the exception of Apple TV. It’s probably not a coincidence that Apple TVs are the only hardware in this space that isn’t sold at a loss (or near loss), the rest are simply Trojan horses to park in the living room and maximize profit elsewhere by leveraging its privileged access to your eyeballs and/or ears (really no orifice is safe from these companies anymore, watch out for Smart Bidets).
    - delecti 10mo ago
      The TV would definitely spy on you, the connected device might not. And even if it does, you can pick one from a company you mind less, or who you've already given up on trying to prevent spying on you. For me, that means a Chromecast; I haven't managed the effort to de-Google, and most of what I watch is Youtube anyway. For some that might be Apple, who is probably the least egregious offender among the big companies. Or you could use a Raspberry Pi or other small computer and have even more control, at the cost of being higher effort.
pton_xd 10mo ago
This is what seemingly every app does. They add 15 different categories for notifications / emails / whatever, and then make you turn off each one individually. Then they periodically remove / add new categories, enabled by default. Completely abusive behavior.
- bradleyankrom 10mo ago
  LinkedIn does the same thing re emails, notifications, etc that they send. I think I turned off notifications that connections had achieved new high scores in games they play on LinkedIn. Absurd.
  - hopelite 10mo ago
    [flagged]
    - Hoasi 10mo ago
      LinkedIn is one the most useless app ever. I have trashed it countless times, but I do use it now and ten to keep up with companies and respond to a few solicitations. There is almost never anything of value in my feed, between the fake jobs and the low value self-promotion AI-written posts. Who even reads this? Not even mentioning the political, and pseudo-activist posts. And this happens despite systematically marking all of these posts irrelevant or “inappropriate for LinkedIn”. This app is beyond repair. Uninstalling.
    - nativeit 10mo ago
      “House Project Managers”
- ipython 10mo ago
  Yep. Had that happen with the United app a few weeks ago. Unsolicited spam sent via push notification to my phone. Turns out that they added a bunch of notification settings - of course all default to on. Turned them all off except for trip updates that day. Best part is- yesterday I received yet another unsolicited spam push message. With all the settings turned off. So these companies will effective require you to use their app to use their service, then refuse to respect their own settings for privacy.
babypuncher 10mo ago
The real trick is to never connect your TV to the internet under any circumstances. These things are displays, they don't need the internet to do their job. Leave that to the game consoles and streaming boxes.
- m463 10mo ago
  I worry about the new cellular standards that support large scale iot. Search for 5g miot or 5g massive iot or maybe even 5g redcap
  - johnea 10mo ago
    This is exactly the situation we're in with new automobiles...
  - aerostable_slug 10mo ago
    Existing LTE is fine. If they wanted to embed modems in the TVs they could do it now. I'm guessing they simply don't have to, simply because a huge number of consumers will dutifully hand over their Wi-Fi passwords.
  - sailfast 10mo ago
    While this is certainly possible, I’d imagine this sort of thing would be found quite quickly and would result in a massive lawsuit if not disclosed on the package.
- spike021 10mo ago
  It's going to happen on any device. It's a software thing. If LG isn't doing it, it's Netflix, Amazon Prime, etc. My PS5 basically shows ads on some system ui screens (granted mostly for "game" content but it still counts).
mgiampapa 10mo ago
I firewall my TV from my Printer just so they don't get any ideas.
myself248 10mo ago
I call this Zucking. When a new permission appears without notice and defaults to the most-violating setting, gaslighting you into the illusion of agency but in fact you never had any, you've been Zucked.
steve_adams_86 10mo ago
I have a Hisense TV which recently did the same. It turned on personal recommendations and advertising. I have no idea where the ads are or how it works; I only use devices over HDMI. I'm sure the TV is spying on me incessantly nonetheless.
thinkingtoilet 10mo ago
I literally only buy computer monitors for TVs. No nonsense. Yeah, they're usually a bit more expensive but at least it doesn't spy on me.
xnx 10mo ago
Same behavior seen with spam email. You unsubscribe from one "list", but you're added to infinity new ones.

BloondAndDoom 10mo ago

I’m using my tv with all the stuff disabled (the ones it’s possibly disable), but even then I realize I don’t trust them and I don’t trust their choices. Because they get to say sorry and not held responsible. I want smart tv because I want use my streaming services but that’s it. I also want high quality panels. Maybe the solution is high quality TVs where you just stick a custom HDMI device (similar to Amazon fire stick) and use it as the OS. Not sure if there are good open source options since Apple seems to be another company that keeps showing you ads even if you pay shit load of money for their hardware and software, Jobs must turning in his grave

chasing0entropy 10mo ago
The solution is a separate, internet connected device to play media connected to a non-connected tv.
- catlikesshrimp 10mo ago
  Honest question: Why would "separate internet connected device", in the case of apple tv, firestick, roku, etc, won't do the same thing?
  - nativeit 10mo ago
    I think they probably would, with maybe the exception of Apple TV. It’s probably not a coincidence that Apple TVs are the only hardware in this space that isn’t sold at a loss (or near loss), the rest are simply Trojan horses to park in the living room and maximize profit elsewhere by leveraging its privileged access to your eyeballs and/or ears (really no orifice is safe from these companies anymore, watch out for Smart Bidets).
  - delecti 10mo ago
    The TV would definitely spy on you, the connected device might not. And even if it does, you can pick one from a company you mind less, or who you've already given up on trying to prevent spying on you. For me, that means a Chromecast; I haven't managed the effort to de-Google, and most of what I watch is Youtube anyway. For some that might be Apple, who is probably the least egregious offender among the big companies. Or you could use a Raspberry Pi or other small computer and have even more control, at the cost of being higher effort.

pton_xd 10mo ago

This is what seemingly every app does. They add 15 different categories for notifications / emails / whatever, and then make you turn off each one individually. Then they periodically remove / add new categories, enabled by default. Completely abusive behavior.

bradleyankrom 10mo ago
LinkedIn does the same thing re emails, notifications, etc that they send. I think I turned off notifications that connections had achieved new high scores in games they play on LinkedIn. Absurd.
- hopelite 10mo ago
  [flagged]
  - Hoasi 10mo ago
    LinkedIn is one the most useless app ever. I have trashed it countless times, but I do use it now and ten to keep up with companies and respond to a few solicitations. There is almost never anything of value in my feed, between the fake jobs and the low value self-promotion AI-written posts. Who even reads this? Not even mentioning the political, and pseudo-activist posts. And this happens despite systematically marking all of these posts irrelevant or “inappropriate for LinkedIn”. This app is beyond repair. Uninstalling.
  - nativeit 10mo ago
    “House Project Managers”
ipython 10mo ago
Yep. Had that happen with the United app a few weeks ago. Unsolicited spam sent via push notification to my phone. Turns out that they added a bunch of notification settings - of course all default to on. Turned them all off except for trip updates that day. Best part is- yesterday I received yet another unsolicited spam push message. With all the settings turned off. So these companies will effective require you to use their app to use their service, then refuse to respect their own settings for privacy.

babypuncher 10mo ago

The real trick is to never connect your TV to the internet under any circumstances. These things are displays, they don't need the internet to do their job. Leave that to the game consoles and streaming boxes.

m463 10mo ago
I worry about the new cellular standards that support large scale iot. Search for 5g miot or 5g massive iot or maybe even 5g redcap
- johnea 10mo ago
  This is exactly the situation we're in with new automobiles...
- aerostable_slug 10mo ago
  Existing LTE is fine. If they wanted to embed modems in the TVs they could do it now. I'm guessing they simply don't have to, simply because a huge number of consumers will dutifully hand over their Wi-Fi passwords.
- sailfast 10mo ago
  While this is certainly possible, I’d imagine this sort of thing would be found quite quickly and would result in a massive lawsuit if not disclosed on the package.
spike021 10mo ago
It's going to happen on any device. It's a software thing. If LG isn't doing it, it's Netflix, Amazon Prime, etc. My PS5 basically shows ads on some system ui screens (granted mostly for "game" content but it still counts).

mgiampapa 10mo ago

I firewall my TV from my Printer just so they don't get any ideas.

myself248 10mo ago

I call this Zucking. When a new permission appears without notice and defaults to the most-violating setting, gaslighting you into the illusion of agency but in fact you never had any, you've been Zucked.

steve_adams_86 10mo ago

I have a Hisense TV which recently did the same. It turned on personal recommendations and advertising. I have no idea where the ads are or how it works; I only use devices over HDMI. I'm sure the TV is spying on me incessantly nonetheless.

thinkingtoilet 10mo ago

I literally only buy computer monitors for TVs. No nonsense. Yeah, they're usually a bit more expensive but at least it doesn't spy on me.

xnx 10mo ago

Same behavior seen with spam email. You unsubscribe from one "list", but you're added to infinity new ones.