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Yeah, it is way worse than that. In the past two days, I have had two separate non-engineer team members ask some AI agent how some mobile bug should be fixed a

by snarf21 10mo ago

Yeah, it is way worse than that. In the past two days, I have had two separate non-engineer team members ask some AI agent how some mobile bug should be fixed and posted the AI response in the ticket as the main content and context and acceptance criteria. I then had to waste my time reading this crap (because this is really all that is in the ticket) before starting my own efforts to understand what the real ask or change in behavior needed is.

teaearlgraycold 10mo ago
Your manager should be on their ass for wasting your time.
- snarf21 10mo ago
  Worse yet, these were done by the managers of the Marketing team and the Mapping team. Plus, these are high profile issues that (somehow) required getting the CEO involved too! (Obviously there is a lot of dysfunction in our organization, lol.)
  - abustamam 10mo ago
    I was going to joke to GP "jokes on you, management is in on it" but apparently it was no joke
  - deleted 10mo ago
    [deleted]
abustamam 10mo ago
New career path unlocked — reverse prompt engineering — trying to determine what someone prompted the AI given the slop they put into a ticket
- dejj 10mo ago
  Plot twist: this universe (planet) was created in order to reverse engineer what the prompt of the previous one was.
  - tremon 10mo ago
    It's not that much of a twist, given that it was basically the plot of THGTTG.
    - CGamesPlay 10mo ago
      THGTTG was actually just an early version of the prompt. "What do you get if you multiply six by nine?"
      - fragmede 10mo ago
        42
- rTX5CMRXIfFG 10mo ago
  I think you’re kidding but some LinkedIn influencer will come across this and preach that it’s serious
colechristensen 10mo ago
You close the ticket and ping the manager of the nontechnical person submitting the ticket. Then you have a discussion with management about the arrangement and expectations. If it doesn't go well you polish your resume.
- shermantanktop 10mo ago
  That sounds like good advice for someone 1) in a less hierarchical organization, and 2) during a period when jobs are easy to get.
  - colechristensen 10mo ago
    Or someone who 1) has the savings such that they aren't a wage slave (applies to any income level) 2) has any dignity People willingly put themselves in situations where they have no autonomy and no options by living their entire lives paycheck to paycheck or close enough to not make a difference.
    - shermantanktop 10mo ago
      That’s a pretty judgmental take. The only people with dignity in your formulation are independently wealthy. If I stomped out the door as soon as I had to curb my tongue, I would never build the social and reputational capital required to be effective on bigger projects, and those are fun (to me).
      - godelski 10mo ago
        We're in tech and this shit is happening in big tech companies. Yes, there's many of us who are not getting those wages but every one of them is independently wealthy. Regardless, you are not a slave. Have a backbone. If you do not stand up for yourself you make it harder for others to do so. Your actions don't just affect you.
        colechristensen 10mo ago
biglost 10mo ago
Our leader wrote himself a great prompt to fill up Tickets in jira with useless text too and our boss is happy like if he won the lottery. Now instead of ugly but short useful texts now i have yo read a fucking eassay!!!
- yieldcrv 10mo ago
  Better than dealing with a PM though Like look, your boss was happy, so the blockade away from your boss that your PM provides is solved So just write an agent to summarize and read the room like the 200 EQ mastermind that it is, compared to your 0 EQ engineer brain, and move on AI writing tickets, AI reading tickets, AI writing code from said tickets only ones affected are middle management and site reliability engineers, poof we can write complex backend scripts too now
- Muromec 10mo ago
  You were supposed to feed it back into the lying machine to dustill the content from the vapor, not read it. You are not AI native worker and should be kicked out of the otherwise great performing team
- andai 10mo ago
  Nah, you know how it works? You're not supposed to read it! Encoding Process One sentence in -> Several paragraphs out Decoding Process Several paragraphs in -> One sentence out
- fragmede 10mo ago
  No you don't. Feed the essay to Claude and ask it to summarize it for you, or just use the Jira MCP and have Claude or codex take the ticket, use the GitHub MCP to get it the source, have it go work on the ticket, have it generate the code, generate some unit tests, then you go literally yell at your computer using Wispr Flow or some other transcription software to tell Claude how to fix the mess it made, and then you after you've cleaned it up, you submit the PR. When ChatGPT first came out three years ago, we joked about Devin and having an AI coworker, but I was just given 5 tickets to work on before break, and damned if AI didn't take a well scoped ticket and just did it before I even finished reading that very tightly scoped ticket.
baxtr 10mo ago
There is also another way to view this: People who have a sloppy/lazy way of working are exposed more quickly by this.
dmurvihill 10mo ago
Got this kind of crap from multiple tickets I filed with GitHub

by snarf21 10mo ago

teaearlgraycold 10mo ago

Your manager should be on their ass for wasting your time.

snarf21 10mo ago
Worse yet, these were done by the managers of the Marketing team and the Mapping team. Plus, these are high profile issues that (somehow) required getting the CEO involved too! (Obviously there is a lot of dysfunction in our organization, lol.)
- abustamam 10mo ago
  I was going to joke to GP "jokes on you, management is in on it" but apparently it was no joke
- deleted 10mo ago
  [deleted]

abustamam 10mo ago

New career path unlocked — reverse prompt engineering — trying to determine what someone prompted the AI given the slop they put into a ticket

dejj 10mo ago
Plot twist: this universe (planet) was created in order to reverse engineer what the prompt of the previous one was.
- tremon 10mo ago
  It's not that much of a twist, given that it was basically the plot of THGTTG.
  - CGamesPlay 10mo ago
    THGTTG was actually just an early version of the prompt. "What do you get if you multiply six by nine?"
    - fragmede 10mo ago
      42
rTX5CMRXIfFG 10mo ago
I think you’re kidding but some LinkedIn influencer will come across this and preach that it’s serious

colechristensen 10mo ago

You close the ticket and ping the manager of the nontechnical person submitting the ticket. Then you have a discussion with management about the arrangement and expectations. If it doesn't go well you polish your resume.

shermantanktop 10mo ago
That sounds like good advice for someone 1) in a less hierarchical organization, and 2) during a period when jobs are easy to get.
- colechristensen 10mo ago
  Or someone who 1) has the savings such that they aren't a wage slave (applies to any income level) 2) has any dignity People willingly put themselves in situations where they have no autonomy and no options by living their entire lives paycheck to paycheck or close enough to not make a difference.
  - shermantanktop 10mo ago
    That’s a pretty judgmental take. The only people with dignity in your formulation are independently wealthy. If I stomped out the door as soon as I had to curb my tongue, I would never build the social and reputational capital required to be effective on bigger projects, and those are fun (to me).
    - godelski 10mo ago
      We're in tech and this shit is happening in big tech companies. Yes, there's many of us who are not getting those wages but every one of them is independently wealthy. Regardless, you are not a slave. Have a backbone. If you do not stand up for yourself you make it harder for others to do so. Your actions don't just affect you.
      - colechristensen 10mo ago

biglost 10mo ago

Our leader wrote himself a great prompt to fill up Tickets in jira with useless text too and our boss is happy like if he won the lottery. Now instead of ugly but short useful texts now i have yo read a fucking eassay!!!

yieldcrv 10mo ago
Better than dealing with a PM though Like look, your boss was happy, so the blockade away from your boss that your PM provides is solved So just write an agent to summarize and read the room like the 200 EQ mastermind that it is, compared to your 0 EQ engineer brain, and move on AI writing tickets, AI reading tickets, AI writing code from said tickets only ones affected are middle management and site reliability engineers, poof we can write complex backend scripts too now
Muromec 10mo ago
You were supposed to feed it back into the lying machine to dustill the content from the vapor, not read it. You are not AI native worker and should be kicked out of the otherwise great performing team
andai 10mo ago
Nah, you know how it works? You're not supposed to read it! Encoding Process One sentence in -> Several paragraphs out Decoding Process Several paragraphs in -> One sentence out
fragmede 10mo ago
No you don't. Feed the essay to Claude and ask it to summarize it for you, or just use the Jira MCP and have Claude or codex take the ticket, use the GitHub MCP to get it the source, have it go work on the ticket, have it generate the code, generate some unit tests, then you go literally yell at your computer using Wispr Flow or some other transcription software to tell Claude how to fix the mess it made, and then you after you've cleaned it up, you submit the PR. When ChatGPT first came out three years ago, we joked about Devin and having an AI coworker, but I was just given 5 tickets to work on before break, and damned if AI didn't take a well scoped ticket and just did it before I even finished reading that very tightly scoped ticket.

baxtr 10mo ago

There is also another way to view this: People who have a sloppy/lazy way of working are exposed more quickly by this.

dmurvihill 10mo ago

Got this kind of crap from multiple tickets I filed with GitHub