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It’s easy to bash Mozilla because it is failing. Their usage share is a statistical error, and most of it comes from being shipped with Ubuntu. Firefox badly

by gldrk 10mo ago

It’s easy to bash Mozilla because it is failing. Their usage share is a statistical error, and most of it comes from being shipped with Ubuntu. Firefox badly needs a value proposition beyond not being Chromium-based.

yoavm 10mo ago
I agree, but there's nothing more frustrating than another niche user group imagining that the reason for this failure is Mozilla lacking to address their obscure requests, while Mozilla's real goal is to create a browser for everyone. The truth is that this goal is borderline impossible, and all these double standards (can't count the times I've heard "I'm tired of Firefox, moving to Chrome!") surely aren't helping.
ekr____ 10mo ago
> Their usage share is a statistical error, and most of it comes from being shipped with Ubuntu. This is not true, and is easily verifiable for yourself. https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/hardware https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/hardware The vast majority of Firefox usage is on Windows.
- gldrk 10mo ago
  I am surprised. Does that imply most GNU/Linux users go out of their way to install Chromium actually? Ubuntu and Firefox have a similar market share.
  - homebrewer 10mo ago
    No idea about most Linux users, but here's what little we know for sure: Arch pkgstats (opt-in): ~64% FF, ~41% Chromium, ~17% Chrome https://pkgstats.archlinux.de/fun/Browsers/current https://pkgstats.archlinux.de/fun/Browsers/current Debian popcon (opt-in): 2.2% Firefox, ~10.3% Chromium https://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=firefox https://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=firefox https://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=chromium https://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=chromium Flathub installs: 10kk Firefox, 10kk Chrome, 1.8kk Chromium https://flathub.org/en/apps/org.mozilla.firefox https://flathub.org/en/apps/org.mozilla.firefox https://flathub.org/en/apps/com.google.Chrome https://flathub.org/en/apps/com.google.Chrome https://flathub.org/en/apps/org.chromium.Chromium https://flathub.org/en/apps/org.chromium.Chromium snapcraft statistics isn't public, afaik.
    - adrianmalacoda 10mo ago
      The usual package for Firefox on Debian is `firefox-esr`. 44.18%. https://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=firefox-esr https://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=firefox-esr The `firefox` package is only in `unstable` and thus installing it requires jumping through hoops.

by gldrk 10mo ago

yoavm 10mo ago

I agree, but there's nothing more frustrating than another niche user group imagining that the reason for this failure is Mozilla lacking to address their obscure requests, while Mozilla's real goal is to create a browser for everyone. The truth is that this goal is borderline impossible, and all these double standards (can't count the times I've heard "I'm tired of Firefox, moving to Chrome!") surely aren't helping.

ekr____ 10mo ago

> Their usage share is a statistical error, and most of it comes from being shipped with Ubuntu. This is not true, and is easily verifiable for yourself. https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/hardware https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/hardware The vast majority of Firefox usage is on Windows.

gldrk 10mo ago
I am surprised. Does that imply most GNU/Linux users go out of their way to install Chromium actually? Ubuntu and Firefox have a similar market share.
- homebrewer 10mo ago
  No idea about most Linux users, but here's what little we know for sure: Arch pkgstats (opt-in): ~64% FF, ~41% Chromium, ~17% Chrome https://pkgstats.archlinux.de/fun/Browsers/current https://pkgstats.archlinux.de/fun/Browsers/current Debian popcon (opt-in): 2.2% Firefox, ~10.3% Chromium https://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=firefox https://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=firefox https://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=chromium https://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=chromium Flathub installs: 10kk Firefox, 10kk Chrome, 1.8kk Chromium https://flathub.org/en/apps/org.mozilla.firefox https://flathub.org/en/apps/org.mozilla.firefox https://flathub.org/en/apps/com.google.Chrome https://flathub.org/en/apps/com.google.Chrome https://flathub.org/en/apps/org.chromium.Chromium https://flathub.org/en/apps/org.chromium.Chromium snapcraft statistics isn't public, afaik.
  - adrianmalacoda 10mo ago
    The usual package for Firefox on Debian is `firefox-esr`. 44.18%. https://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=firefox-esr https://qa.debian.org/popcon.php?package=firefox-esr The `firefox` package is only in `unstable` and thus installing it requires jumping through hoops.