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Weell, there's a reason the Renaissance is called "renaissance" and not something else.

by Sharlin 11mo ago

lo_zamoyski 11mo ago
The Renaissance is really the tail end of the Middle Ages historically, and the name is a bit of propaganda, just like "Enlightenment". People flatter themselves.
- anthk 11mo ago
  This: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libro_de_los_juegos https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libro_de_los_juegos 13th century. Not just the art, but for the content. Truly ahead of its time.
- IAmBroom 11mo ago
  > The Renaissance is really the tail end of the Middle Ages historically And the Space Age is really the tail end of the Steam Age. Human history doesn't have any sharp divisors, aside from total genocides or the even rare natural disasters on the scale of Pompeii's demise. The admittedly artificial definition of the start of the Renaissance, however, does help frame an explosive growth of useful new tools in art (and other endeavors), like perspective, oil paints, and so on.
  - lo_zamoyski 11mo ago
    You're missing the point. Obviously, there is no sharp line. That is too trivial to mention. But the distinction is made, because it captures something about the characteristic spirit of an age. In the received black legends of whig history, the Renaissance is typically presented as some kind of enlightened rift with and rebellion against the supposedly dark and evil Middle Ages, but in some sense, it is more accurate to view it as a culmination of the Middle Ages or something continuous with it. You will find great rifts later on with the rise of modernism.
Bayart 11mo ago
That reason is self-hype. The Renaissance was dreadful in comparison to the Late Middle Ages and the Early Modern Period in much of Europe.
anthk 11mo ago
Go read the Book of the Games from the 1200's and now you'll learn something. The Middle ages were centuries wide. The last centuries had nothing to do, say, with the 5th century.
- Sharlin 11mo ago
  I should have clarified that I meant there are reasons why the people who branded the Renaissance branded it like that.

Weell, there's a reason the Renaissance is called "renaissance" and not something else.

by Sharlin 11mo ago

Weell, there's a reason the Renaissance is called "renaissance" and not something else.

The Renaissance is really the tail end of the Middle Ages historically, and the name is a bit of propaganda, just like "Enlightenment". People flatter themselves.

anthk 11mo ago
This: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libro_de_los_juegos https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libro_de_los_juegos 13th century. Not just the art, but for the content. Truly ahead of its time.
IAmBroom 11mo ago
> The Renaissance is really the tail end of the Middle Ages historically And the Space Age is really the tail end of the Steam Age. Human history doesn't have any sharp divisors, aside from total genocides or the even rare natural disasters on the scale of Pompeii's demise. The admittedly artificial definition of the start of the Renaissance, however, does help frame an explosive growth of useful new tools in art (and other endeavors), like perspective, oil paints, and so on.
- lo_zamoyski 11mo ago
  You're missing the point. Obviously, there is no sharp line. That is too trivial to mention. But the distinction is made, because it captures something about the characteristic spirit of an age. In the received black legends of whig history, the Renaissance is typically presented as some kind of enlightened rift with and rebellion against the supposedly dark and evil Middle Ages, but in some sense, it is more accurate to view it as a culmination of the Middle Ages or something continuous with it. You will find great rifts later on with the rise of modernism.

Bayart 11mo ago

That reason is self-hype. The Renaissance was dreadful in comparison to the Late Middle Ages and the Early Modern Period in much of Europe.

anthk 11mo ago

Go read the Book of the Games from the 1200's and now you'll learn something. The Middle ages were centuries wide. The last centuries had nothing to do, say, with the 5th century.

Sharlin 11mo ago
I should have clarified that I meant there are reasons why the people who branded the Renaissance branded it like that.