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I feel extremely fortunate that I am unashamed of my sexuality, sex drive, or sexual interests. While I'd prefer that my porn history remain private, if anyone

I feel extremely fortunate that I am unashamed of my sexuality, sex drive, or sexual interests. While I'd prefer that my porn history remain private, if anyone ever tried to shame me for it, I'd have no problem telling them I own my human desires. Now, if I was a repressed person living in an area where that threatened my safety, I'd be terrified. It's a privilege that I don't have to worry about it, and that's the real problem when we get past the technical reasons why this shouldn't have happened.

mystraline 10mo ago
> While I'd prefer that my porn history remain private Thats a problem as well. Right now, you're 'safe'. But having that data available attached to you can also be dangerous to you in the future. For example, the current wave of trans-hate can easily show you as a sympathizer. That can be criminalized quite easily, given 1/4 of the country hates trans people existing. Being gay is right now not a crime in the USA, but it has been. And many regressive countries, predominantly Muslim, also have strong punishments for gay actions. Again, this material could easily be proof of a "deviant lifestyle" and legal punishments. No, if I consume porn, I download from Piratebay, or hop on VPN and not login. And given I live in a state that Pornhub banned due to onerous age verification/identity tying, the whatif above could easily become true. Ive read Project2025 and saw those exact plans.
- WillPostForFood 10mo ago
  That can be criminalized quite easily How exactly could trans sympathy be "criminalized"?
  - nkrisc 10mo ago
    Declare “trans” a terrorist organization.
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    - stronglikedan 10mo ago
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      - mmh0000 10mo ago
        Incorrect. That’s exactly how it works! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_transgender_people_under_the_second_Trump_administration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_transgender_peo... https://www.them.us/story/trump-admin-fbi-trans-nihilistic-violent-extremists-terrorist https://www.them.us/story/trump-admin-fbi-trans-nihilistic-v...
      - hiddencost 10mo ago
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      - rsynnott 10mo ago
        I mean, clearly it shouldn't be how it works, and is not how it works in sensible countries, but, as people have noted, it does seem to be what ol' minihands is going for in the US.
      - nkrisc 10mo ago
        That’s exactly how it works. Who will stop them? A Congress who has ceded all authority to the executive?
    - dragonwriter 10mo ago
      You can't just declare an identity a terrorist organization. I mean, that makes as much sense as declaring an idea like antifascism a terrorist organization, which is clearly impossible.
      - 10mo ago
  - mmh0000 10mo ago
    What's great about Wikipedia... There's an article for EVERYTHING!! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_for_homosexuality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_for_homosex...
    - WillPostForFood 10mo ago
      Not sure how passing a law that makes homosexuality punishable by death, 1: would be easy 2: would apply to sympathizers 3: would be possible
      - sapphicsnail 10mo ago
        It's been done before
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  - why-o-why 10mo ago
    Have you ever heard of the US FBI and its head, Pam Bondi? Here's how she did it: https://www.advocate.com/politics/pam-bondi-trans-equality-bounties https://www.advocate.com/politics/pam-bondi-trans-equality-b...
  - dxdm 10mo ago
    Laws against the "promotion of homosexuality" are how public support and education are suppressed, and could easily extend to transsexuality if that's not included already.
- ethagnawl 10mo ago
  > 1/4 of the country hates trans people existing I'll need to dig up a reference but I've seen multiple sources cite that that 1/4 watches a disproportionately high amount of trans porn. The top most commenter is spot on about how much harm our prudishness is doing to us all.
  - mmooss 10mo ago
    > watches a disproportionately high amount of trans porn That doesn't mean they don't hate trans people. Most porn shows women yet it's a hotbed of misogyny.
  - dragonwriter 10mo ago
    Yes, bigotry against a group and sexual fetishization of the same group (and, frequently, constructing a narrative in which such fetishization is deviant but the fault of the group targeted and not the fetishizers, wuch that the fetish further justified the bigotry) frequently go together. You see this with racism of all forms, you see it with transphobia, and most commonly but perhaps least frequently commented on as a manifestation of the same effect, you see it with misogyny. And that's very much mot an exhaustive list.
- defrost 10mo ago
  > many regressive countries, predominantly Muslim, also have strong punishments for gay actions. For accuracy it's worth stating this is only a recent occurrence. Right now: Nations with anti-LGBT laws: 50% Muslim, 44% Christian (2024) Half (33) of the world’s 66 countries that have anti-LGBT laws are nations where a majority of the citizens are Muslims. By comparison, 29 Christian-majority countries account for 44 percent of the countries that still have anti-LGBT laws on their books. ~ https://76crimes.com/2024/02/11/nations-with-anti-lgbt-laws-52-muslim-42-christian/ https://76crimes.com/2024/02/11/nations-with-anti-lgbt-laws-... However this "predominantly Muslim" twist in the numbers is recent: In recent years, the number of Christian-majority nations with anti-homosexuality laws has shrunk, both through court rulings (Barbados, St. Kitts and Nevis and Antigua and Barbuda in 2022; Trinidad in 2018; Belize in 2016) and through legislative action (Cook Islands in 2023, Singapore in 2022, Angola and Botswana in 2019, Seychelles and Nauru in 2016, Mozambique, São Tomé and Príncipe, and Palau in 2014). ~ (quote from above source) Uganda, with an 82% Christian population is famously severe in it's punishments for gay and queer sexual activity. With the support and funding of US conservative Christians: US religious right at center of anti-LGBTQ+ message pushed around the world ~ https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/09/us-religious-right-lgbtq-global-culture-fronts https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/09/us-religious-r...
  - pdpi 10mo ago
    > Nations with anti-LGBT laws: 50% Muslim, 44% Christian (2024) This statistic makes the exact opposite of the point you're trying to make, though. Going through this table[0], and provided I didn't make any dumb mistakes with my JS, there's 122 Christian majority countries, but only 54 countries are Muslim majority. So 33 out 54 Muslim majority countries have anti-gay laws, compared to only 29 out of 122 Christian majority countries with such laws. (The more interesting comparison would perhaps be counting number of people rather than countries, though, and it still says nothing of the severity of said laws). 0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religions_by_country#2020_Pew_Research_World_Religious_Landscape https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religions_by_country#2020_Pew_...
mitthrowaway2 10mo ago
I hope your employer and/or customers would share your attitude! Some people, depending on their occupation, might find their jobs at risk even with fairly "vanilla" viewing habits.
- Griffinsauce 10mo ago
  This is a weird state of affairs though. This is such a thoroughly private thing, it does not impact your work (unless illegal content is involved), so why so we care? I know it's some sort of "trustworthiness" but that is objectively complete bs.
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  - gessha 10mo ago
    Women have been fired for less so it really depends on your situation.
  - rgmerk 10mo ago
    You might not care, but plenty of people clearly do. The current speaker of the US House of Representatives apparently cares a great deal: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/nov/06/speaker-mike-johnson-covenant-eyes-app-quitting-porn https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/nov/06/speaker-mike...
- nonameiguess 10mo ago
  This is always the response to something like this but the problem is still repression. If every employee's porn viewing habits were revealed, then the employer and customers would have no choice but to still employ you and buy from you unless they want to stop doing business with all humans whatsoever, because all of them enjoy sex, even the employers and customers themselves. They don't even actually care and put on the facade because they feel social pressure themselves to pretent they don't have exactly the same urges and feelings. We can't fire the entire world.
qingcharles 10mo ago
I remember the head of security for a large ISP in the mid-90s tapping the IRC PRIVMSG traffic and extorting some gay guys who weren't out.
AlecSchueler 10mo ago
> I feel extremely fortunate that I am unashamed of my sexuality, sex drive, or sexual interests You're also lucky to live somewhere where you wouldn't face job loss, familial estrangement or even anything up to capital punishment for it.
Gud 10mo ago
Perhaps your sex life is somewhat vanilla. Imagine you are turned on by eating shit or being peed on - would you still feel so comfortable sharing g details about your sex life? And of course, the wide spectrum in between
- fhdkweig 10mo ago
  Mark Redwine murdered his son in 2012 after scat photos were found on his phone. (There are photos online, but not at this link.) https://www.kktv.com/2021/06/28/warning-graphic-content-photos-used-redwine-trial-evidence-released-public/ https://www.kktv.com/2021/06/28/warning-graphic-content-phot...

mystraline 10mo ago

> While I'd prefer that my porn history remain private Thats a problem as well. Right now, you're 'safe'. But having that data available attached to you can also be dangerous to you in the future. For example, the current wave of trans-hate can easily show you as a sympathizer. That can be criminalized quite easily, given 1/4 of the country hates trans people existing. Being gay is right now not a crime in the USA, but it has been. And many regressive countries, predominantly Muslim, also have strong punishments for gay actions. Again, this material could easily be proof of a "deviant lifestyle" and legal punishments. No, if I consume porn, I download from Piratebay, or hop on VPN and not login. And given I live in a state that Pornhub banned due to onerous age verification/identity tying, the whatif above could easily become true. Ive read Project2025 and saw those exact plans.

WillPostForFood 10mo ago
That can be criminalized quite easily How exactly could trans sympathy be "criminalized"?
- nkrisc 10mo ago
  Declare “trans” a terrorist organization.
  - deleted 10mo ago
    [deleted]
  - deleted 10mo ago
    [deleted]
  - stronglikedan 10mo ago
    [flagged]
    - mmh0000 10mo ago
      Incorrect. That’s exactly how it works! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_transgender_people_under_the_second_Trump_administration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_transgender_peo... https://www.them.us/story/trump-admin-fbi-trans-nihilistic-violent-extremists-terrorist https://www.them.us/story/trump-admin-fbi-trans-nihilistic-v...
    - hiddencost 10mo ago
      [flagged]
    - rsynnott 10mo ago
      I mean, clearly it shouldn't be how it works, and is not how it works in sensible countries, but, as people have noted, it does seem to be what ol' minihands is going for in the US.
    - nkrisc 10mo ago
      That’s exactly how it works. Who will stop them? A Congress who has ceded all authority to the executive?
  - dragonwriter 10mo ago
    You can't just declare an identity a terrorist organization. I mean, that makes as much sense as declaring an idea like antifascism a terrorist organization, which is clearly impossible.
    - 10mo ago
- mmh0000 10mo ago
  What's great about Wikipedia... There's an article for EVERYTHING!! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_for_homosexuality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_for_homosex...
  - WillPostForFood 10mo ago
    Not sure how passing a law that makes homosexuality punishable by death, 1: would be easy 2: would apply to sympathizers 3: would be possible
    - sapphicsnail 10mo ago
      It's been done before
    - deleted 10mo ago
      [deleted]
- why-o-why 10mo ago
  Have you ever heard of the US FBI and its head, Pam Bondi? Here's how she did it: https://www.advocate.com/politics/pam-bondi-trans-equality-bounties https://www.advocate.com/politics/pam-bondi-trans-equality-b...
- dxdm 10mo ago
  Laws against the "promotion of homosexuality" are how public support and education are suppressed, and could easily extend to transsexuality if that's not included already.
ethagnawl 10mo ago
> 1/4 of the country hates trans people existing I'll need to dig up a reference but I've seen multiple sources cite that that 1/4 watches a disproportionately high amount of trans porn. The top most commenter is spot on about how much harm our prudishness is doing to us all.
- mmooss 10mo ago
  > watches a disproportionately high amount of trans porn That doesn't mean they don't hate trans people. Most porn shows women yet it's a hotbed of misogyny.
- dragonwriter 10mo ago
  Yes, bigotry against a group and sexual fetishization of the same group (and, frequently, constructing a narrative in which such fetishization is deviant but the fault of the group targeted and not the fetishizers, wuch that the fetish further justified the bigotry) frequently go together. You see this with racism of all forms, you see it with transphobia, and most commonly but perhaps least frequently commented on as a manifestation of the same effect, you see it with misogyny. And that's very much mot an exhaustive list.
defrost 10mo ago
> many regressive countries, predominantly Muslim, also have strong punishments for gay actions. For accuracy it's worth stating this is only a recent occurrence. Right now: Nations with anti-LGBT laws: 50% Muslim, 44% Christian (2024) Half (33) of the world’s 66 countries that have anti-LGBT laws are nations where a majority of the citizens are Muslims. By comparison, 29 Christian-majority countries account for 44 percent of the countries that still have anti-LGBT laws on their books. ~ https://76crimes.com/2024/02/11/nations-with-anti-lgbt-laws-52-muslim-42-christian/ https://76crimes.com/2024/02/11/nations-with-anti-lgbt-laws-... However this "predominantly Muslim" twist in the numbers is recent: In recent years, the number of Christian-majority nations with anti-homosexuality laws has shrunk, both through court rulings (Barbados, St. Kitts and Nevis and Antigua and Barbuda in 2022; Trinidad in 2018; Belize in 2016) and through legislative action (Cook Islands in 2023, Singapore in 2022, Angola and Botswana in 2019, Seychelles and Nauru in 2016, Mozambique, São Tomé and Príncipe, and Palau in 2014). ~ (quote from above source) Uganda, with an 82% Christian population is famously severe in it's punishments for gay and queer sexual activity. With the support and funding of US conservative Christians: US religious right at center of anti-LGBTQ+ message pushed around the world ~ https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/09/us-religious-right-lgbtq-global-culture-fronts https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jul/09/us-religious-r...
- pdpi 10mo ago
  > Nations with anti-LGBT laws: 50% Muslim, 44% Christian (2024) This statistic makes the exact opposite of the point you're trying to make, though. Going through this table[0], and provided I didn't make any dumb mistakes with my JS, there's 122 Christian majority countries, but only 54 countries are Muslim majority. So 33 out 54 Muslim majority countries have anti-gay laws, compared to only 29 out of 122 Christian majority countries with such laws. (The more interesting comparison would perhaps be counting number of people rather than countries, though, and it still says nothing of the severity of said laws). 0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religions_by_country#2020_Pew_Research_World_Religious_Landscape https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religions_by_country#2020_Pew_...

mitthrowaway2 10mo ago

I hope your employer and/or customers would share your attitude! Some people, depending on their occupation, might find their jobs at risk even with fairly "vanilla" viewing habits.

Griffinsauce 10mo ago
This is a weird state of affairs though. This is such a thoroughly private thing, it does not impact your work (unless illegal content is involved), so why so we care? I know it's some sort of "trustworthiness" but that is objectively complete bs.
- deleted 10mo ago
  [deleted]
- gessha 10mo ago
  Women have been fired for less so it really depends on your situation.
- rgmerk 10mo ago
  You might not care, but plenty of people clearly do. The current speaker of the US House of Representatives apparently cares a great deal: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/nov/06/speaker-mike-johnson-covenant-eyes-app-quitting-porn https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/nov/06/speaker-mike...
nonameiguess 10mo ago
This is always the response to something like this but the problem is still repression. If every employee's porn viewing habits were revealed, then the employer and customers would have no choice but to still employ you and buy from you unless they want to stop doing business with all humans whatsoever, because all of them enjoy sex, even the employers and customers themselves. They don't even actually care and put on the facade because they feel social pressure themselves to pretent they don't have exactly the same urges and feelings. We can't fire the entire world.

qingcharles 10mo ago

I remember the head of security for a large ISP in the mid-90s tapping the IRC PRIVMSG traffic and extorting some gay guys who weren't out.

AlecSchueler 10mo ago

> I feel extremely fortunate that I am unashamed of my sexuality, sex drive, or sexual interests You're also lucky to live somewhere where you wouldn't face job loss, familial estrangement or even anything up to capital punishment for it.

Gud 10mo ago

Perhaps your sex life is somewhat vanilla. Imagine you are turned on by eating shit or being peed on - would you still feel so comfortable sharing g details about your sex life? And of course, the wide spectrum in between

fhdkweig 10mo ago
Mark Redwine murdered his son in 2012 after scat photos were found on his phone. (There are photos online, but not at this link.) https://www.kktv.com/2021/06/28/warning-graphic-content-photos-used-redwine-trial-evidence-released-public/ https://www.kktv.com/2021/06/28/warning-graphic-content-phot...