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Yes. Brave Helium LibreWolf

by jqpabc123 11mo ago

MangoToupe 11mo ago
> Brave Did brave's attempt to provide an alternative funding model to ads actually go anywhere?
- mplewis 11mo ago
  Yeah, straight into the cryptocurrency trash heap.
- jqpabc123 11mo ago
  actually go anywhere? It hasn't gone away or sold out to Google.
- freehorse 11mo ago
  Brave's funding model always included ads [0], but these are supposed to "respect privacy" (ie not collecting personal data and targeting). Not sure how they are there right now. I know there was controversy in the past due to their "ads replacement" scheme where they were replacing ads in websites with their own ads, and my impression is that all this "brave rewards" thing did not go through much. Similar notion of "privacy respecting advertising" has also been stated in mozilla's texts about firefox several times, eg [1], and that goes a long time back in general [2]. I don't think that any of these attempts from brave or firefox have actually worked. In general, this is the business model (or part thereof) of many/most "privacy focused" services, ie serving ads while "respecting users' privacy". Duckduckgo does that for example. A few of them are even owned by advertising companies (eg startpage). Alternative models are subscriptions (eg kagi) and/or sponsorship/donations (eg ladybird?). [0] https://brave.com/about/#:~:text=Brave%20Ads,-Brave https://brave.com/about/#:~:text=Brave%20Ads,-Brave [1] https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/mozilla-leadership-growth-planning-updates/#:~:text=investing%20in%20privacy%2Drespecting%20advertising https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/mozilla-leadership-growt... [2] "we want to show the world that it is possible to do relevant advertising and content recommendations while still respecting users’ privacy and giving them control over their data" https://blog.mozilla.org/advancingcontent/2015/05/21/providing-a-valuable-platform-for-advertisers-content-publishers-and-users/ https://blog.mozilla.org/advancingcontent/2015/05/21/providi...
  - MangoToupe 11mo ago
    > Similar notion of "privacy respecting advertising" has also been stated in mozilla's texts about firefox several times, eg [1], and that goes a long time back in general [2]. Yea; it seems pretty dead as an approach. The ads are the problem. We need alternative models to advertising. It's absolutely baffling how there simply hasn't been any real competition for thirty years.
SirFatty 11mo ago
Tor
- ekjhgkejhgk 11mo ago
  I've actually been using Tor more and more as secondary to Firefox. Hey, I wonder if "exactly like Tor minus connecting to the Tor network" exists. No, don't tell me this is just Firefox, that's not true.
  - guizadillas 11mo ago
    It's Librewolf
  - godelski 11mo ago
    I think you're looking for the Mullvad Browser[0]. They work directly with Tor and are doing exactly what you're asking for. And no, you do not need to use Mullvad VPN [0] https://mullvad.net/en/browser https://mullvad.net/en/browser
    - ekjhgkejhgk 11mo ago
      Yes! I wrote to the Tor Project and that's exactly what they replied! Installed already. Thank you.
    - frm88 11mo ago
      I cannot currently test the Mullvad browser, can you tell us whether it supports Ublock Origin or another competent ad-blocker (is there even another?). Because, frankly the ad-blocker is a make-or-break for me.
      - ekjhgkejhgk 11mo ago
        It does! So far I can see the following: - uBlock Origin included - mullvad extension to force DNS (disabled if you don't grant it permissions) - button for "new identity" that clears all cookies and restarts - NoScript included, but some JS permitted. - Fewer customization options than firefox to resist fingerprinting - Bucketed/discretized screen size to resist fingerprinting EDIT: hard facts: https://mullvad.net/en/browser/hard-facts https://mullvad.net/en/browser/hard-facts
ekjhgkejhgk 11mo ago
> Brave I'm not interested in crypto right now, thanks for asking.
- jqpabc123 11mo ago
  Neither am I --- but this doesn't impede anyone from using their browser.
  - ekjhgkejhgk 11mo ago
    It does indirectly. I don't have the technical skills or interest in examining if a browser is working for me or working for someone else, and therefore I have to trust the people developing the browser. I don't trust people who associate themselves with crypto, therefore I don't trust the software they write.
    - jqpabc123 11mo ago
      I don't trust people who associate themselves with crypto But you trust people who associate themselves with and are being directly paid by the biggest privacy invader on the planet?
      - ekjhgkejhgk 11mo ago
        Sorry, who is that? Google? No, I don't, what makes you think that?
- bigstrat2003 11mo ago
  Brave has never once shoved crypto in my face so I don't think your implication is reasonable.
  - thesuitonym 11mo ago
    Of course not, don't be silly. Why would they shove it in your face when they could just quietly mine it in the background?
cranberryturkey 11mo ago
Brave??? lol wtf I use librewolf
godelski 11mo ago
> Brave Chromium > Helium Chromium > LibreWolf WaterFox MullvadBrowser

Yes. Brave Helium LibreWolf

MangoToupe 11mo ago

> Brave Did brave's attempt to provide an alternative funding model to ads actually go anywhere?

mplewis 11mo ago
Yeah, straight into the cryptocurrency trash heap.
jqpabc123 11mo ago
actually go anywhere? It hasn't gone away or sold out to Google.
freehorse 11mo ago
Brave's funding model always included ads [0], but these are supposed to "respect privacy" (ie not collecting personal data and targeting). Not sure how they are there right now. I know there was controversy in the past due to their "ads replacement" scheme where they were replacing ads in websites with their own ads, and my impression is that all this "brave rewards" thing did not go through much. Similar notion of "privacy respecting advertising" has also been stated in mozilla's texts about firefox several times, eg [1], and that goes a long time back in general [2]. I don't think that any of these attempts from brave or firefox have actually worked. In general, this is the business model (or part thereof) of many/most "privacy focused" services, ie serving ads while "respecting users' privacy". Duckduckgo does that for example. A few of them are even owned by advertising companies (eg startpage). Alternative models are subscriptions (eg kagi) and/or sponsorship/donations (eg ladybird?). [0] https://brave.com/about/#:~:text=Brave%20Ads,-Brave https://brave.com/about/#:~:text=Brave%20Ads,-Brave [1] https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/mozilla-leadership-growth-planning-updates/#:~:text=investing%20in%20privacy%2Drespecting%20advertising https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/mozilla-leadership-growt... [2] "we want to show the world that it is possible to do relevant advertising and content recommendations while still respecting users’ privacy and giving them control over their data" https://blog.mozilla.org/advancingcontent/2015/05/21/providing-a-valuable-platform-for-advertisers-content-publishers-and-users/ https://blog.mozilla.org/advancingcontent/2015/05/21/providi...
- MangoToupe 11mo ago
  > Similar notion of "privacy respecting advertising" has also been stated in mozilla's texts about firefox several times, eg [1], and that goes a long time back in general [2]. Yea; it seems pretty dead as an approach. The ads are the problem. We need alternative models to advertising. It's absolutely baffling how there simply hasn't been any real competition for thirty years.

SirFatty 11mo ago

Tor

ekjhgkejhgk 11mo ago
I've actually been using Tor more and more as secondary to Firefox. Hey, I wonder if "exactly like Tor minus connecting to the Tor network" exists. No, don't tell me this is just Firefox, that's not true.
- guizadillas 11mo ago
  It's Librewolf
- godelski 11mo ago
  I think you're looking for the Mullvad Browser[0]. They work directly with Tor and are doing exactly what you're asking for. And no, you do not need to use Mullvad VPN [0] https://mullvad.net/en/browser https://mullvad.net/en/browser
  - ekjhgkejhgk 11mo ago
    Yes! I wrote to the Tor Project and that's exactly what they replied! Installed already. Thank you.
  - frm88 11mo ago
    I cannot currently test the Mullvad browser, can you tell us whether it supports Ublock Origin or another competent ad-blocker (is there even another?). Because, frankly the ad-blocker is a make-or-break for me.
    - ekjhgkejhgk 11mo ago
      It does! So far I can see the following: - uBlock Origin included - mullvad extension to force DNS (disabled if you don't grant it permissions) - button for "new identity" that clears all cookies and restarts - NoScript included, but some JS permitted. - Fewer customization options than firefox to resist fingerprinting - Bucketed/discretized screen size to resist fingerprinting EDIT: hard facts: https://mullvad.net/en/browser/hard-facts https://mullvad.net/en/browser/hard-facts

ekjhgkejhgk 11mo ago

> Brave I'm not interested in crypto right now, thanks for asking.

jqpabc123 11mo ago
Neither am I --- but this doesn't impede anyone from using their browser.
- ekjhgkejhgk 11mo ago
  It does indirectly. I don't have the technical skills or interest in examining if a browser is working for me or working for someone else, and therefore I have to trust the people developing the browser. I don't trust people who associate themselves with crypto, therefore I don't trust the software they write.
  - jqpabc123 11mo ago
    I don't trust people who associate themselves with crypto But you trust people who associate themselves with and are being directly paid by the biggest privacy invader on the planet?
    - ekjhgkejhgk 11mo ago
      Sorry, who is that? Google? No, I don't, what makes you think that?
bigstrat2003 11mo ago
Brave has never once shoved crypto in my face so I don't think your implication is reasonable.
- thesuitonym 11mo ago
  Of course not, don't be silly. Why would they shove it in your face when they could just quietly mine it in the background?

cranberryturkey 11mo ago

Brave??? lol wtf I use librewolf

godelski 11mo ago

> Brave Chromium > Helium Chromium > LibreWolf WaterFox MullvadBrowser