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Man is there anything left that isn't a total invasion of privacy??

by cranberryturkey 10mo ago

ranger_danger 10mo ago
living off-grid
- cranberryturkey 10mo ago
  You got me there lol
jqpabc123 10mo ago
Yes. Brave Helium LibreWolf
- MangoToupe 10mo ago
  > Brave Did brave's attempt to provide an alternative funding model to ads actually go anywhere?
  - mplewis 10mo ago
    Yeah, straight into the cryptocurrency trash heap.
  - jqpabc123 10mo ago
    actually go anywhere? It hasn't gone away or sold out to Google.
  - freehorse 10mo ago
    Brave's funding model always included ads [0], but these are supposed to "respect privacy" (ie not collecting personal data and targeting). Not sure how they are there right now. I know there was controversy in the past due to their "ads replacement" scheme where they were replacing ads in websites with their own ads, and my impression is that all this "brave rewards" thing did not go through much. Similar notion of "privacy respecting advertising" has also been stated in mozilla's texts about firefox several times, eg [1], and that goes a long time back in general [2]. I don't think that any of these attempts from brave or firefox have actually worked. In general, this is the business model (or part thereof) of many/most "privacy focused" services, ie serving ads while "respecting users' privacy". Duckduckgo does that for example. A few of them are even owned by advertising companies (eg startpage). Alternative models are subscriptions (eg kagi) and/or sponsorship/donations (eg ladybird?). [0] https://brave.com/about/#:~:text=Brave%20Ads,-Brave https://brave.com/about/#:~:text=Brave%20Ads,-Brave [1] https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/mozilla-leadership-growth-planning-updates/#:~:text=investing%20in%20privacy%2Drespecting%20advertising https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/mozilla-leadership-growt... [2] "we want to show the world that it is possible to do relevant advertising and content recommendations while still respecting users’ privacy and giving them control over their data" https://blog.mozilla.org/advancingcontent/2015/05/21/providing-a-valuable-platform-for-advertisers-content-publishers-and-users/ https://blog.mozilla.org/advancingcontent/2015/05/21/providi...
    - MangoToupe 10mo ago
      > Similar notion of "privacy respecting advertising" has also been stated in mozilla's texts about firefox several times, eg [1], and that goes a long time back in general [2]. Yea; it seems pretty dead as an approach. The ads are the problem. We need alternative models to advertising. It's absolutely baffling how there simply hasn't been any real competition for thirty years.
- SirFatty 10mo ago
  Tor
  - ekjhgkejhgk 10mo ago
    I've actually been using Tor more and more as secondary to Firefox. Hey, I wonder if "exactly like Tor minus connecting to the Tor network" exists. No, don't tell me this is just Firefox, that's not true.
    - guizadillas 10mo ago
      It's Librewolf
    - godelski 10mo ago
      I think you're looking for the Mullvad Browser[0]. They work directly with Tor and are doing exactly what you're asking for. And no, you do not need to use Mullvad VPN [0] https://mullvad.net/en/browser https://mullvad.net/en/browser
      - ekjhgkejhgk 10mo ago
        Yes! I wrote to the Tor Project and that's exactly what they replied! Installed already. Thank you.
      - frm88 10mo ago
        I cannot currently test the Mullvad browser, can you tell us whether it supports Ublock Origin or another competent ad-blocker (is there even another?). Because, frankly the ad-blocker is a make-or-break for me.
        ekjhgkejhgk 10mo ago
        It does! So far I can see the following: - uBlock Origin included - mullvad extension to force DNS (disabled if you don't grant it permissions) - button for "new identity" that clears all cookies and restarts - NoScript included, but some JS permitted. - Fewer customization options than firefox to resist fingerprinting - Bucketed/discretized screen size to resist fingerprinting EDIT: hard facts: https://mullvad.net/en/browser/hard-facts https://mullvad.net/en/browser/hard-facts
- ekjhgkejhgk 10mo ago
  > Brave I'm not interested in crypto right now, thanks for asking.
  - jqpabc123 10mo ago
    Neither am I --- but this doesn't impede anyone from using their browser.
    - ekjhgkejhgk 10mo ago
      It does indirectly. I don't have the technical skills or interest in examining if a browser is working for me or working for someone else, and therefore I have to trust the people developing the browser. I don't trust people who associate themselves with crypto, therefore I don't trust the software they write.
      - jqpabc123 10mo ago
        I don't trust people who associate themselves with crypto But you trust people who associate themselves with and are being directly paid by the biggest privacy invader on the planet?
        ekjhgkejhgk 10mo ago
        Sorry, who is that? Google? No, I don't, what makes you think that?
  - bigstrat2003 10mo ago
    Brave has never once shoved crypto in my face so I don't think your implication is reasonable.
    - thesuitonym 10mo ago
      Of course not, don't be silly. Why would they shove it in your face when they could just quietly mine it in the background?
- cranberryturkey 10mo ago
  Brave??? lol wtf I use librewolf
- godelski 10mo ago
  > Brave Chromium > Helium Chromium > LibreWolf WaterFox MullvadBrowser
stalfosknight 10mo ago
Safari

Man is there anything left that isn't a total invasion of privacy??

ranger_danger 10mo ago

living off-grid

cranberryturkey 10mo ago
You got me there lol

jqpabc123 10mo ago

Yes. Brave Helium LibreWolf

MangoToupe 10mo ago
> Brave Did brave's attempt to provide an alternative funding model to ads actually go anywhere?
- mplewis 10mo ago
  Yeah, straight into the cryptocurrency trash heap.
- jqpabc123 10mo ago
  actually go anywhere? It hasn't gone away or sold out to Google.
- freehorse 10mo ago
  Brave's funding model always included ads [0], but these are supposed to "respect privacy" (ie not collecting personal data and targeting). Not sure how they are there right now. I know there was controversy in the past due to their "ads replacement" scheme where they were replacing ads in websites with their own ads, and my impression is that all this "brave rewards" thing did not go through much. Similar notion of "privacy respecting advertising" has also been stated in mozilla's texts about firefox several times, eg [1], and that goes a long time back in general [2]. I don't think that any of these attempts from brave or firefox have actually worked. In general, this is the business model (or part thereof) of many/most "privacy focused" services, ie serving ads while "respecting users' privacy". Duckduckgo does that for example. A few of them are even owned by advertising companies (eg startpage). Alternative models are subscriptions (eg kagi) and/or sponsorship/donations (eg ladybird?). [0] https://brave.com/about/#:~:text=Brave%20Ads,-Brave https://brave.com/about/#:~:text=Brave%20Ads,-Brave [1] https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/mozilla-leadership-growth-planning-updates/#:~:text=investing%20in%20privacy%2Drespecting%20advertising https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/mozilla-leadership-growt... [2] "we want to show the world that it is possible to do relevant advertising and content recommendations while still respecting users’ privacy and giving them control over their data" https://blog.mozilla.org/advancingcontent/2015/05/21/providing-a-valuable-platform-for-advertisers-content-publishers-and-users/ https://blog.mozilla.org/advancingcontent/2015/05/21/providi...
  - MangoToupe 10mo ago
    > Similar notion of "privacy respecting advertising" has also been stated in mozilla's texts about firefox several times, eg [1], and that goes a long time back in general [2]. Yea; it seems pretty dead as an approach. The ads are the problem. We need alternative models to advertising. It's absolutely baffling how there simply hasn't been any real competition for thirty years.
SirFatty 10mo ago
Tor
- ekjhgkejhgk 10mo ago
  I've actually been using Tor more and more as secondary to Firefox. Hey, I wonder if "exactly like Tor minus connecting to the Tor network" exists. No, don't tell me this is just Firefox, that's not true.
  - guizadillas 10mo ago
    It's Librewolf
  - godelski 10mo ago
    I think you're looking for the Mullvad Browser[0]. They work directly with Tor and are doing exactly what you're asking for. And no, you do not need to use Mullvad VPN [0] https://mullvad.net/en/browser https://mullvad.net/en/browser
    - ekjhgkejhgk 10mo ago
      Yes! I wrote to the Tor Project and that's exactly what they replied! Installed already. Thank you.
    - frm88 10mo ago
      I cannot currently test the Mullvad browser, can you tell us whether it supports Ublock Origin or another competent ad-blocker (is there even another?). Because, frankly the ad-blocker is a make-or-break for me.
      - ekjhgkejhgk 10mo ago
        It does! So far I can see the following: - uBlock Origin included - mullvad extension to force DNS (disabled if you don't grant it permissions) - button for "new identity" that clears all cookies and restarts - NoScript included, but some JS permitted. - Fewer customization options than firefox to resist fingerprinting - Bucketed/discretized screen size to resist fingerprinting EDIT: hard facts: https://mullvad.net/en/browser/hard-facts https://mullvad.net/en/browser/hard-facts
ekjhgkejhgk 10mo ago
> Brave I'm not interested in crypto right now, thanks for asking.
- jqpabc123 10mo ago
  Neither am I --- but this doesn't impede anyone from using their browser.
  - ekjhgkejhgk 10mo ago
    It does indirectly. I don't have the technical skills or interest in examining if a browser is working for me or working for someone else, and therefore I have to trust the people developing the browser. I don't trust people who associate themselves with crypto, therefore I don't trust the software they write.
    - jqpabc123 10mo ago
      I don't trust people who associate themselves with crypto But you trust people who associate themselves with and are being directly paid by the biggest privacy invader on the planet?
      - ekjhgkejhgk 10mo ago
        Sorry, who is that? Google? No, I don't, what makes you think that?
- bigstrat2003 10mo ago
  Brave has never once shoved crypto in my face so I don't think your implication is reasonable.
  - thesuitonym 10mo ago
    Of course not, don't be silly. Why would they shove it in your face when they could just quietly mine it in the background?
cranberryturkey 10mo ago
Brave??? lol wtf I use librewolf
godelski 10mo ago
> Brave Chromium > Helium Chromium > LibreWolf WaterFox MullvadBrowser

stalfosknight 10mo ago

Safari