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I would point out that when it comes to these, right, far right and fascists win the numbers. And right now, it is far right who is having genocidal rhetorics.

by watwut 11mo ago

nec4b 11mo ago
Which far right or fascist ruler came close to what Stalin, Mao or Pol Pot did in terms of numbers?
- IAmBroom 11mo ago
  Which of those three that you named are killing people "right now"?
  - baggy_trough 11mo ago
    Thankfully they are all dead, but not before killing high tens of millions. What "far right" ruler is killing millions right now?
    - mothballed 11mo ago
      I might catch some flack for calling Putin right wing, but he's definitely further right than any of the major killing events I can think of that have happened in modern times. He's certainly way further right than Hitler, who took control of the capital and the means of production and relegated capitalists to basically being token pieces who produced what and when the Nazis order largely at the price Nazis ordered on behalf of the "German people" in a totally "non-socialist" socialist party that just happened to practice the core tenants of socialism when it came to economics.
  - nec4b 11mo ago
    Where did I claim they are killing people right now?
- wat10000 11mo ago
  If I had a nickel for every time I replied to an HN comment to give the blindingly obvious example of "Adolf Hitler," I'd have two nickels. Which isn't much, but it's weird that it happened twice.
  - nec4b 11mo ago
    Sure, you got one and he is way bellow the most successful far left dictators in terms of numbers. First you claimed numbers are higher for far right and then you said they are close. Why would you even make up such nonsense?
    - wat10000 11mo ago
      I wasn't the one saying the numbers are higher for one side or the other. I am curious how you conclude that Hitler is "way below" the others. Seems to me they're similar. Estimates are way too loose, and attribution way too sticky, to say definitively who's higher, but they're around the same magnitude.
      - nec4b 11mo ago
        Parent: "Or leftist politicians, where they can do it on an industrial scale by the millions in death camps, in the name of progress." You: "I would point out that when it comes to these, right, far right and fascists win the numbers." >> I am curious how you conclude that Hitler is "way below" the others. Looking at various estimates by people who were researching this topic. The numbers are usually in ranges and vary between researches. But the highest estimate for Hitler was always lower then the lowest estimates for Stalin and nowhere near Mao's lowest estimates.
        wat10000 11mo ago
        That wasn’t me. From a quick search, the lowest estimates for Stalin are about 6 million, and Mao about 15 million. Are you saying Hitler killed less than 6 million? Even 15 million would be way too low.
- watwut 11mo ago
  Actually, already Hitler. The numbers are tight and Hitler did not finished his project. He was stopped by force. His plan was to exterminate Slavic people in the next generation too. And right know in America, it is squarely fascists and racists who win the numbers and are on the path to add some.
  - nec4b 11mo ago
    Numbers are nowhere near close. Just Mao is responsible for at least 3 times for what Hitler was responsible for. Under Pol Pot a quarter of the population was erased. Stalin's numbers double that of Hitler.

I would point out that when it comes to these, right, far right and fascists win the numbers. And right now, it is far right who is having genocidal rhetorics.

by watwut 11mo ago

I would point out that when it comes to these, right, far right and fascists win the numbers. And right now, it is far right who is having genocidal rhetorics.

nec4b 11mo ago

Which far right or fascist ruler came close to what Stalin, Mao or Pol Pot did in terms of numbers?

IAmBroom 11mo ago
Which of those three that you named are killing people "right now"?
- baggy_trough 11mo ago
  Thankfully they are all dead, but not before killing high tens of millions. What "far right" ruler is killing millions right now?
  - mothballed 11mo ago
    I might catch some flack for calling Putin right wing, but he's definitely further right than any of the major killing events I can think of that have happened in modern times. He's certainly way further right than Hitler, who took control of the capital and the means of production and relegated capitalists to basically being token pieces who produced what and when the Nazis order largely at the price Nazis ordered on behalf of the "German people" in a totally "non-socialist" socialist party that just happened to practice the core tenants of socialism when it came to economics.
- nec4b 11mo ago
  Where did I claim they are killing people right now?
wat10000 11mo ago
If I had a nickel for every time I replied to an HN comment to give the blindingly obvious example of "Adolf Hitler," I'd have two nickels. Which isn't much, but it's weird that it happened twice.
- nec4b 11mo ago
  Sure, you got one and he is way bellow the most successful far left dictators in terms of numbers. First you claimed numbers are higher for far right and then you said they are close. Why would you even make up such nonsense?
  - wat10000 11mo ago
    I wasn't the one saying the numbers are higher for one side or the other. I am curious how you conclude that Hitler is "way below" the others. Seems to me they're similar. Estimates are way too loose, and attribution way too sticky, to say definitively who's higher, but they're around the same magnitude.
    - nec4b 11mo ago
      Parent: "Or leftist politicians, where they can do it on an industrial scale by the millions in death camps, in the name of progress." You: "I would point out that when it comes to these, right, far right and fascists win the numbers." >> I am curious how you conclude that Hitler is "way below" the others. Looking at various estimates by people who were researching this topic. The numbers are usually in ranges and vary between researches. But the highest estimate for Hitler was always lower then the lowest estimates for Stalin and nowhere near Mao's lowest estimates.
      - wat10000 11mo ago
        That wasn’t me. From a quick search, the lowest estimates for Stalin are about 6 million, and Mao about 15 million. Are you saying Hitler killed less than 6 million? Even 15 million would be way too low.
watwut 11mo ago
Actually, already Hitler. The numbers are tight and Hitler did not finished his project. He was stopped by force. His plan was to exterminate Slavic people in the next generation too. And right know in America, it is squarely fascists and racists who win the numbers and are on the path to add some.
- nec4b 11mo ago
  Numbers are nowhere near close. Just Mao is responsible for at least 3 times for what Hitler was responsible for. Under Pol Pot a quarter of the population was erased. Stalin's numbers double that of Hitler.