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> Mozilla believes in the value of an open and free (and thus ad-supported) web. > and thus ad-supported What a sad view of the web. Advertisement is a net-ne

> Mozilla believes in the value of an open and free (and thus ad-supported) web. > and thus ad-supported What a sad view of the web. Advertisement is a net-negative for society.

saubeidl 10mo ago
It's a business wankers view of the web. Only what makes money has any value in their view. That's also why MBA types are the wrong type of person to run something like Mozilla.
wafflemaker 10mo ago
Nothing wrong with an unobtrusive, not tracking, banner on a side of a page. Related to what the page is about.
- simiones 10mo ago
  While that would be miles better, there's still plenty wrong with it. Most advertising is designed to trick people into either buying something that they don't need at all (e.g. consuming more soda instead of drinking water, or getting some gadget, or more clothes than they need), or into buying the an objectively worse option (e.g. buying a more expensive fridge that will actually last less time). This is the goal of B2C advertising: tricking people to behave less rationally in their consumption behavior. The only way to avoid this is to just block ads - even unobtrusive content-relevant ads. You may think ads can't trick you, but that has been shown time and time again to be false.
- rjdj377dhabsn 10mo ago
  That's an even more evil ad than the obnoxious and irrelevant variety because something related to my interests has a higher chance of successfully manipulating me.
- treyd 10mo ago
  It's a distraction from the content that I actually want to see and I should not have to spend the bandwidth on loading it or the battery on rendering it.
phantasmish 10mo ago
Yeah I think that might be a worse statement than the one daydreaming about eliminating their remaining market share by abandoning the only thing keeping anyone around. It’s a gross premise to operate from. And bullshit.

> Mozilla believes in the value of an open and free (and thus ad-supported) web. > and thus ad-supported What a sad view of the web. Advertisement is a net-negative for society.

saubeidl 10mo ago

It's a business wankers view of the web. Only what makes money has any value in their view. That's also why MBA types are the wrong type of person to run something like Mozilla.

wafflemaker 10mo ago

Nothing wrong with an unobtrusive, not tracking, banner on a side of a page. Related to what the page is about.

simiones 10mo ago
While that would be miles better, there's still plenty wrong with it. Most advertising is designed to trick people into either buying something that they don't need at all (e.g. consuming more soda instead of drinking water, or getting some gadget, or more clothes than they need), or into buying the an objectively worse option (e.g. buying a more expensive fridge that will actually last less time). This is the goal of B2C advertising: tricking people to behave less rationally in their consumption behavior. The only way to avoid this is to just block ads - even unobtrusive content-relevant ads. You may think ads can't trick you, but that has been shown time and time again to be false.
rjdj377dhabsn 10mo ago
That's an even more evil ad than the obnoxious and irrelevant variety because something related to my interests has a higher chance of successfully manipulating me.
treyd 10mo ago
It's a distraction from the content that I actually want to see and I should not have to spend the bandwidth on loading it or the battery on rendering it.

phantasmish 10mo ago

Yeah I think that might be a worse statement than the one daydreaming about eliminating their remaining market share by abandoning the only thing keeping anyone around. It’s a gross premise to operate from. And bullshit.