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Which alternatives though? On Mac at least, I'm not aware of any viable non-Chromium alternatives.

by ghusto 10mo ago

braebo 10mo ago
Use Brave the privacy is better than Firefox already.
- timeon 10mo ago
  Question was about non-Chromium browsers. Although Brave's custom ad-blocker is not bad.
swiftcoder 10mo ago
> On Mac at least, I'm not aware of any viable non-Chromium alternatives Surely Mac is the only place there is a viable non-Chromium alternative (Safari)?
- deanc 10mo ago
  There is Orion which is built on top of WebKit so you get a lot of the battery life optimisations built into Safari
- saithir 10mo ago
  I think people like to imagine it's not viable because the most commonly known adblocker refuses to release the version for it. Negative news somehow stick better. Fortunately it's not the only one and for example Adguard works perfectly fine.
  - array_key_first 10mo ago
    Safari is even further behind chrome in feature set than Firefox.
    - rsync 10mo ago
      … which is a positive, right?
      - array_key_first 10mo ago
        Maybe, maybe not. It's getting dangerously close to the modern day IE, where some websites just don't work right and everyone has to do arcane shit to make their websites cross platform. It's also a closed source browser developed by Apple. It's not competing with Firefox. Everyone contemplating switching to safari over Firefox are not being honest - they're not even on the same playing field.
        swiftcoder 10mo ago
        > It's getting dangerously close to the modern day I.E. This line gets thrown around a lot, but if you look at the supported features, Safari is honestly pretty up-to-date on the actual ratified web standards. What it doesn't tend to do is implement a bunch of the (often ad-tech focused) drafts Google keeps trying to push through the standards committee
        array_key_first 10mo ago
        I would agree, except for CSS. You still see checks for webkit in CSS fairly regularly.
        danaris 10mo ago
        The only way you can possibly view Safari as "the modern day IE" is if you consider the authoritative source for What Features Should Be Supported to be Chrome. You should probably think about that for a bit, in light of why IE was IE back in the day.
        littlestymaar 10mo ago
        > The only way you can possibly view Safari as "the modern day IE" is if you consider the authoritative source for What Features Should Be Supported to be Chrome. No. Safari is the modern IE in the sense that it's the default browser on a widely used OS, and it's update cycle is tied to the update of the OS itself by the user, and it drags the web behind by many years because you cannot not support its captive user-base. It's even worse than IE in a sense, because Apple prevents the existence of an alternative browser on that particular OS (every non-safari OSes on iOS are just a UI on top of Safari).
actionfromafar 10mo ago
What problems do people have? I use Firefox on Mac since a decade at least.
- deleted 10mo ago
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saubeidl 10mo ago
Zen is basically Firefox with Arc's UX. It's by far my favorite browser.
janv 10mo ago
Orion is pretty viable alternative. Based on WebKit.
7bit 10mo ago
I prefer Firefox over Chromium. But I much more prefer having a working ad blocker. Therefore I support that statement and when Firefox starts removing support for that, I'm out and there's enough alternatives I can go to, even tho they're Chromium based.
mark_l_watson 10mo ago
I use the Duck Duck Go browser for almost everything. I is open source for iOS/Android/macOS platforms, but I think there are parts of their platform that are not. The DDG browser hits all my privacy requirements.
mcv 10mo ago
There are a ton of Firefox forks, especially in order to keep Firefox but without these sort of shenanigans. The only problem is: what's the difference between the forks, and which is the best? I have no idea.
danaris 10mo ago
...Safari?? Apple doesn't collect your browsing data, they build in privacy controls that are pretty much as strong as they can manage given the state of the world, and while it doesn't support uBO, it supports a variety of pretty solid adblockers (I use AdGuard, which, AFAICT, Just Works™ and even blocks YouTube ads most of the time, despite their arms race).
- littlestymaar 10mo ago
  > Apple doesn't collect your browsing data That's what their marketing want you to believe, at least. Their privacy policy is very clear it's not the case though: > we may collect a variety of information, including: > […] > Usage Data. Data about your activity on and use of our offerings, such as app launches within our services, including browsing history; search history; (emphasis mine)

Which alternatives though? On Mac at least, I'm not aware of any viable non-Chromium alternatives.

by ghusto 10mo ago

Which alternatives though? On Mac at least, I'm not aware of any viable non-Chromium alternatives.

braebo 10mo ago

Use Brave the privacy is better than Firefox already.

timeon 10mo ago
Question was about non-Chromium browsers. Although Brave's custom ad-blocker is not bad.

swiftcoder 10mo ago

> On Mac at least, I'm not aware of any viable non-Chromium alternatives Surely Mac is the only place there is a viable non-Chromium alternative (Safari)?

deanc 10mo ago
There is Orion which is built on top of WebKit so you get a lot of the battery life optimisations built into Safari
saithir 10mo ago
I think people like to imagine it's not viable because the most commonly known adblocker refuses to release the version for it. Negative news somehow stick better. Fortunately it's not the only one and for example Adguard works perfectly fine.
- array_key_first 10mo ago
  Safari is even further behind chrome in feature set than Firefox.
  - rsync 10mo ago
    … which is a positive, right?
    - array_key_first 10mo ago
      Maybe, maybe not. It's getting dangerously close to the modern day IE, where some websites just don't work right and everyone has to do arcane shit to make their websites cross platform. It's also a closed source browser developed by Apple. It's not competing with Firefox. Everyone contemplating switching to safari over Firefox are not being honest - they're not even on the same playing field.
      - swiftcoder 10mo ago
        > It's getting dangerously close to the modern day I.E. This line gets thrown around a lot, but if you look at the supported features, Safari is honestly pretty up-to-date on the actual ratified web standards. What it doesn't tend to do is implement a bunch of the (often ad-tech focused) drafts Google keeps trying to push through the standards committee
        array_key_first 10mo ago
        I would agree, except for CSS. You still see checks for webkit in CSS fairly regularly.
      - danaris 10mo ago
        The only way you can possibly view Safari as "the modern day IE" is if you consider the authoritative source for What Features Should Be Supported to be Chrome. You should probably think about that for a bit, in light of why IE was IE back in the day.
        littlestymaar 10mo ago
        > The only way you can possibly view Safari as "the modern day IE" is if you consider the authoritative source for What Features Should Be Supported to be Chrome. No. Safari is the modern IE in the sense that it's the default browser on a widely used OS, and it's update cycle is tied to the update of the OS itself by the user, and it drags the web behind by many years because you cannot not support its captive user-base. It's even worse than IE in a sense, because Apple prevents the existence of an alternative browser on that particular OS (every non-safari OSes on iOS are just a UI on top of Safari).

actionfromafar 10mo ago

What problems do people have? I use Firefox on Mac since a decade at least.

deleted 10mo ago
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saubeidl 10mo ago

Zen is basically Firefox with Arc's UX. It's by far my favorite browser.

janv 10mo ago

Orion is pretty viable alternative. Based on WebKit.

7bit 10mo ago

I prefer Firefox over Chromium. But I much more prefer having a working ad blocker. Therefore I support that statement and when Firefox starts removing support for that, I'm out and there's enough alternatives I can go to, even tho they're Chromium based.

mark_l_watson 10mo ago

I use the Duck Duck Go browser for almost everything. I is open source for iOS/Android/macOS platforms, but I think there are parts of their platform that are not. The DDG browser hits all my privacy requirements.

mcv 10mo ago

There are a ton of Firefox forks, especially in order to keep Firefox but without these sort of shenanigans. The only problem is: what's the difference between the forks, and which is the best? I have no idea.

danaris 10mo ago

...Safari?? Apple doesn't collect your browsing data, they build in privacy controls that are pretty much as strong as they can manage given the state of the world, and while it doesn't support uBO, it supports a variety of pretty solid adblockers (I use AdGuard, which, AFAICT, Just Works™ and even blocks YouTube ads most of the time, despite their arms race).

littlestymaar 10mo ago
> Apple doesn't collect your browsing data That's what their marketing want you to believe, at least. Their privacy policy is very clear it's not the case though: > we may collect a variety of information, including: > […] > Usage Data. Data about your activity on and use of our offerings, such as app launches within our services, including browsing history; search history; (emphasis mine)