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No you would only have the European selection.

by csomar 10mo ago

nephihaha 10mo ago
There is currently no real European equivalent/serious competitor to the Apple/Microsoft duopoly, Google monopoly, Wikipedia monopoly etc.
- ivan_gammel 10mo ago
  On Wikipedia: German chapter is the second largest (>100 FTEs) and collects donations directly, funding root org from them and keeping significant part for its own operations. It’s not exactly an American monopoly.
  - nephihaha 10mo ago
    Wikipedia is American owned. It also pushes certain ideas very subtly. Or not subtly in the hagiographies of certain "philanthropists".
    - ivan_gammel 10mo ago
      It does not matter anything in this case. It’s open source, it’s community-driven, and governance structure isn’t a moat. It can be forked in a matter of days, especially given that there exist independent European structures to support it.
      - nephihaha 10mo ago
        Wikipedia is not community driven. About as public as so called public ownership in reality. It is clearly directed by a small group of people, mostly those with enough time on their hands. Most folk can no longer edit it. They're blocked. There are clear biases in its content provision, such as its coverage of certain rich people and establishment bodies.
        ivan_gammel 10mo ago
        > Most folk can no longer edit it. They're blocked. Is this some sort of conspiracy theory? It’s just plain wrong. Wikipedia may block certain people, but it’s definitely not anywhere close to majority of editors. It’s easy to create an account and edit almost everything. It does have editorial policy and editors may have certain bias, but it has nothing to do with the fact, that you mentioning Wikipedia as some American monopoly were wrong.
        nephihaha 10mo ago
        Have you ever tried to edit Wikipedia using WiFi, mobile networks etc? Because then you will almost always get a message saying you are blocked and cannot edit. I get this all the time, and not because of anything I have done personally. Many people are on shared IPs now. Even the computers at the National Library of Scotland are blocked, even though there is a paid Wikipedian on their staff and you have to have a membership to use the library. Give us a break with the "conspiracy theory" mantra. This isn't even a theory. It's commonplace reality. They want everyone to sign up to a Wikipedia account which comes with other issues. Also Wikipedia is a monopoly. 9/10 when I search for anything nowadays, Wikipedia is at the top. If I only wanted to search for Wikipedia articles I would go straight to their website.
        Europas 10mo ago
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- nairboon 10mo ago
  > There is currently no real European equivalent to the [..] Wikipedia monopoly 8 out of the 10 largest Wikipedias are European languages...
  - nephihaha 10mo ago
    Wikipedia is an American outfit, owned by the American businessman Jimmy Wales. It doesn't matter which language it is in.
    - ivan_gammel 10mo ago
      Wikipedia is open source software serving public domain content. Wales controls the main fundraising outfit and domain, but the rest is not his IP.
      - nephihaha 10mo ago
        It's an oligarchy in reality and Wikimedia was having a discussion a couple of years ago about implementing the SDGs, which come from the UN and not the public (who are barely aware of them.)
    - louisbourgault 10mo ago
      Calling a system that is 90% foss and public domain "owned" by anyone is a bit of a stretch. I can, fully legally, download all the text of Wikipedia for about 130gb and host it myself. Besides, Jimmy Wales is awesome.
      - nephihaha 10mo ago
        Wikipedia does not practice what it preaches. Even the claim "that anyone can edit" is not true.
- csomar 10mo ago
  The parent was talking about the scenario where Europe is forced to create alternative (like China) and that it will lead to a better/wider selection for him (I assume he is in the EU) and my answer is that it will lead to only a European selection. Interestingly, the only people having a wider selection are the ones outside of EU/US/China as they'll be free to pick up whatever they want.

No you would only have the European selection.

by csomar 10mo ago

No you would only have the European selection.

There is currently no real European equivalent/serious competitor to the Apple/Microsoft duopoly, Google monopoly, Wikipedia monopoly etc.

ivan_gammel 10mo ago
On Wikipedia: German chapter is the second largest (>100 FTEs) and collects donations directly, funding root org from them and keeping significant part for its own operations. It’s not exactly an American monopoly.
- nephihaha 10mo ago
  Wikipedia is American owned. It also pushes certain ideas very subtly. Or not subtly in the hagiographies of certain "philanthropists".
  - ivan_gammel 10mo ago
    It does not matter anything in this case. It’s open source, it’s community-driven, and governance structure isn’t a moat. It can be forked in a matter of days, especially given that there exist independent European structures to support it.
    - nephihaha 10mo ago
      Wikipedia is not community driven. About as public as so called public ownership in reality. It is clearly directed by a small group of people, mostly those with enough time on their hands. Most folk can no longer edit it. They're blocked. There are clear biases in its content provision, such as its coverage of certain rich people and establishment bodies.
      - ivan_gammel 10mo ago
        > Most folk can no longer edit it. They're blocked. Is this some sort of conspiracy theory? It’s just plain wrong. Wikipedia may block certain people, but it’s definitely not anywhere close to majority of editors. It’s easy to create an account and edit almost everything. It does have editorial policy and editors may have certain bias, but it has nothing to do with the fact, that you mentioning Wikipedia as some American monopoly were wrong.
        nephihaha 10mo ago
        Have you ever tried to edit Wikipedia using WiFi, mobile networks etc? Because then you will almost always get a message saying you are blocked and cannot edit. I get this all the time, and not because of anything I have done personally. Many people are on shared IPs now. Even the computers at the National Library of Scotland are blocked, even though there is a paid Wikipedian on their staff and you have to have a membership to use the library. Give us a break with the "conspiracy theory" mantra. This isn't even a theory. It's commonplace reality. They want everyone to sign up to a Wikipedia account which comes with other issues. Also Wikipedia is a monopoly. 9/10 when I search for anything nowadays, Wikipedia is at the top. If I only wanted to search for Wikipedia articles I would go straight to their website.
      - Europas 10mo ago
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nairboon 10mo ago
> There is currently no real European equivalent to the [..] Wikipedia monopoly 8 out of the 10 largest Wikipedias are European languages...
- nephihaha 10mo ago
  Wikipedia is an American outfit, owned by the American businessman Jimmy Wales. It doesn't matter which language it is in.
  - ivan_gammel 10mo ago
    Wikipedia is open source software serving public domain content. Wales controls the main fundraising outfit and domain, but the rest is not his IP.
    - nephihaha 10mo ago
      It's an oligarchy in reality and Wikimedia was having a discussion a couple of years ago about implementing the SDGs, which come from the UN and not the public (who are barely aware of them.)
  - louisbourgault 10mo ago
    Calling a system that is 90% foss and public domain "owned" by anyone is a bit of a stretch. I can, fully legally, download all the text of Wikipedia for about 130gb and host it myself. Besides, Jimmy Wales is awesome.
    - nephihaha 10mo ago
      Wikipedia does not practice what it preaches. Even the claim "that anyone can edit" is not true.
csomar 10mo ago
The parent was talking about the scenario where Europe is forced to create alternative (like China) and that it will lead to a better/wider selection for him (I assume he is in the EU) and my answer is that it will lead to only a European selection. Interestingly, the only people having a wider selection are the ones outside of EU/US/China as they'll be free to pick up whatever they want.