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This is like when people defend Windows 11's nonsense by saying "you can disable or remove that stuff". Yes, you can. But you shouldn't have to, and I personall

by bigstrat2003 11mo ago

This is like when people defend Windows 11's nonsense by saying "you can disable or remove that stuff". Yes, you can. But you shouldn't have to, and I personally prefer to use tools which don't shove useless things into the tool because it's trendy.

calvinmorrison 11mo ago
not to mention firefox routinely blows up any policies you set during upgrades, incompatibilities, and an endless about:config that is more opaque than a hunk of room temperature lard.
derekdahmer 11mo ago
How is this different from linux? People happily spend hours customizing defaults in their OS. It’s usually a point of praise for open source software.
- PunchyHamster 11mo ago
  Bad defaults are bad defaults, and "you can turn them off" is not a good excuse for bad defaults continuing to be bad defaults
  - someothherguyy 11mo ago
    It is the default in every major browser at this point. https://chromeenterprise.google/policies/#GenAiDefaultSettings https://chromeenterprise.google/policies/#GenAiDefaultSettin...
    - account42 11mo ago
      And Mozilla copying what every other browser (read: Chrome) does is exactly why thy no longer have any relevant market share.
    - immibis 11mo ago
      Bad defaults are bad defaults, and "our competitor does the same thing" is not a good excuse for bad defaults continuing to be bad defaults
fsflover 11mo ago
The difference is that on Windows all unwanted features eventually become mandatory, with no way of switching them off. With Firefox, it never happens.
- Orygin 11mo ago
  If you listen to the doomers in this thread, it will. They "will" remove the option from settings, hide it in about:config, then later on remove it from there! Of course none of that is true...
  - nottorp 11mo ago
    It's plausible because the team working on the settings screen will be reassigned to the "AI".
    - Orygin 11mo ago
      That's just doom saying at this point.
      - johnnyanmac 11mo ago
        Mozilla hasn't had the benefit of the doubt for quite a while here. This isn't just one small kerfuffle coming out of nowhere. They say trust takes a lifetime to build and seconds to break ". We're years into it at this point.
        fsflover 11mo ago
        > Mozilla hasn't had the benefit of the doubt for quite a while here In contrast to Google Chrome? This is just FUD. Ublock Origin is still working and will be working. Full customization is still there and isn't going away. All of that is unlike in Chrom(ium).
        nottorp 11mo ago
someothherguyy 11mo ago
Well, you aren't the only person using a tool, and it probably matters more to those who are making things "trendy". In general, how else would people "learn" about a feature unless it was enabled by default or the product nagged them?

calvinmorrison 11mo ago

not to mention firefox routinely blows up any policies you set during upgrades, incompatibilities, and an endless about:config that is more opaque than a hunk of room temperature lard.

derekdahmer 11mo ago

How is this different from linux? People happily spend hours customizing defaults in their OS. It’s usually a point of praise for open source software.

PunchyHamster 11mo ago
Bad defaults are bad defaults, and "you can turn them off" is not a good excuse for bad defaults continuing to be bad defaults
- someothherguyy 11mo ago
  It is the default in every major browser at this point. https://chromeenterprise.google/policies/#GenAiDefaultSettings https://chromeenterprise.google/policies/#GenAiDefaultSettin...
  - account42 11mo ago
    And Mozilla copying what every other browser (read: Chrome) does is exactly why thy no longer have any relevant market share.
  - immibis 11mo ago
    Bad defaults are bad defaults, and "our competitor does the same thing" is not a good excuse for bad defaults continuing to be bad defaults

fsflover 11mo ago

The difference is that on Windows all unwanted features eventually become mandatory, with no way of switching them off. With Firefox, it never happens.

Orygin 11mo ago
If you listen to the doomers in this thread, it will. They "will" remove the option from settings, hide it in about:config, then later on remove it from there! Of course none of that is true...
- nottorp 11mo ago
  It's plausible because the team working on the settings screen will be reassigned to the "AI".
  - Orygin 11mo ago
    That's just doom saying at this point.
    - johnnyanmac 11mo ago
      Mozilla hasn't had the benefit of the doubt for quite a while here. This isn't just one small kerfuffle coming out of nowhere. They say trust takes a lifetime to build and seconds to break ". We're years into it at this point.
      - fsflover 11mo ago
        > Mozilla hasn't had the benefit of the doubt for quite a while here In contrast to Google Chrome? This is just FUD. Ublock Origin is still working and will be working. Full customization is still there and isn't going away. All of that is unlike in Chrom(ium).
        nottorp 11mo ago

someothherguyy 11mo ago

Well, you aren't the only person using a tool, and it probably matters more to those who are making things "trendy". In general, how else would people "learn" about a feature unless it was enabled by default or the product nagged them?