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> small-scale crime like this You mean murder?

• wat10000 10mo ago
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  • cykros 10mo ago
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    • watwut 10mo ago
      I would point out that when it comes to these, right, far right and fascists win the numbers. And right now, it is far right who is having genocidal rhetorics.
      • nec4b 10mo ago
        Which far right or fascist ruler came close to what Stalin, Mao or Pol Pot did in terms of numbers?
        • IAmBroom 10mo ago
          Which of those three that you named are killing people "right now"?
          • baggy_trough 10mo ago
            Thankfully they are all dead, but not before killing high tens of millions. What "far right" ruler is killing millions right now?
            • mothballed 10mo ago
              I might catch some flack for calling Putin right wing, but he's definitely further right than any of the major killing events I can think of that have happened in modern times. He's certainly way further right than Hitler, who took control of the capital and the means of production and relegated capitalists to basically being token pieces who produced what and when the Nazis order largely at the price Nazis ordered on behalf of the "German people" in a totally "non-socialist" socialist party that just happened to practice the core tenants of socialism when it came to economics.
          • nec4b 10mo ago
            Where did I claim they are killing people right now?
        • wat10000 10mo ago
          If I had a nickel for every time I replied to an HN comment to give the blindingly obvious example of "Adolf Hitler," I'd have two nickels. Which isn't much, but it's weird that it happened twice.
          • nec4b 10mo ago
            Sure, you got one and he is way bellow the most successful far left dictators in terms of numbers. First you claimed numbers are higher for far right and then you said they are close. Why would you even make up such nonsense?
            • wat10000 10mo ago
              I wasn't the one saying the numbers are higher for one side or the other. I am curious how you conclude that Hitler is "way below" the others. Seems to me they're similar. Estimates are way too loose, and attribution way too sticky, to say definitively who's higher, but they're around the same magnitude.
              • nec4b 10mo ago
                Parent: "Or leftist politicians, where they can do it on an industrial scale by the millions in death camps, in the name of progress." You: "I would point out that when it comes to these, right, far right and fascists win the numbers." >> I am curious how you conclude that Hitler is "way below" the others. Looking at various estimates by people who were researching this topic. The numbers are usually in ranges and vary between researches. But the highest estimate for Hitler was always lower then the lowest estimates for Stalin and nowhere near Mao's lowest estimates.
                • wat10000 10mo ago
                  That wasn’t me. From a quick search, the lowest estimates for Stalin are about 6 million, and Mao about 15 million. Are you saying Hitler killed less than 6 million? Even 15 million would be way too low.
        • watwut 10mo ago
          Actually, already Hitler. The numbers are tight and Hitler did not finished his project. He was stopped by force. His plan was to exterminate Slavic people in the next generation too. And right know in America, it is squarely fascists and racists who win the numbers and are on the path to add some.
          • nec4b 10mo ago
            Numbers are nowhere near close. Just Mao is responsible for at least 3 times for what Hitler was responsible for. Under Pol Pot a quarter of the population was erased. Stalin's numbers double that of Hitler.
    • wat10000 10mo ago
      You could have so easily left out the word “leftist” and had a nice point, but instead you chose to start a fight.
      • JuniperMesos 10mo ago
        You started the fight by making the (leftist-coded) comment about CEOs, that other comment was the response.
        • wat10000 10mo ago
          Huh. I figured "some CEOs do nasty things that get people killed, and get away with it" was a politically neutral observation of fact.
          • mothballed 10mo ago
            The neutral viewpoint, I think, is that "some CEOs do nasty things that get people killed, and some get away with it." Although yours is more neutral than "CEOs do nasty things that get people killed, and get away with it" which you often hear from the same populations that cheered the assassination of a CEO that did nasty things and most definitely did not get away with it. It's definitely become more politically charged in the wake of the Luigi event, when framing CEOs as violent people implicitly authorizes "self-defense" cheered on by what is usually associated with left-wing leaning actors.
          • JuniperMesos 10mo ago
            In the context of discussing a hypothetical murder committed during a home invasion robbery and murder, implying that a smarter criminal would become a CEO instead so they could legally kill people is an attempt to equate running a firm with committing home invasion robberies and murders. This is an extremely ideological statement, not neutral in the least; and the specific ideological framework grounding it is a certain type of leftism.
            • wat10000 10mo ago
  • baggy_trough 10mo ago
    Such as who?
    • wat10000 10mo ago
      Pick your favorite polluting industry, look up the big CEOs, there you go. It's not hard to find examples.