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does Jami store messages server side like Telegram to enable access to messages everywhere?

• ekjhgkejhgk 10mo ago
  They all store messages server side.
  • jatins 10mo ago
    Not whatsapp afaik
    • ekjhgkejhgk 10mo ago
      - Send a message to someone whose phone is off - turn off your phone - get that person to turn their phone on - they receive the message. Where was it stored, if not in WhatsApps servers?
      • tcfhgj 10mo ago
        Well, not exactly what I meant. Burn your phone, setup a new phone, log in, view your messages was what I meant.
        • toyg 10mo ago
          .... That also works? Unless you believe that your entire chat history is magically encoded in a QR code...
          • tcfhgj 10mo ago
            works in Telegram (without e2ee) and Matrix (with E2EE), my question was about Jami
      • jatins 10mo ago
        Once it's delivered, is it still stored?
    • fooker 10mo ago
      Whatsapp backs up unencrypted messages to Google cloud on Android and whatever it's called for Apple. The government can just ask them to turn over those. (note that this is legally very different from forcing someone to unlock a device)
      • __jonas 10mo ago
        It does not just do that, no. It has the option of doing that, it asks you if you want to enable the backups. It also allows you to encrypt the backups with a passkey or a password that you can manually set, client-side. It didn’t always have the encryption option I think.
        • fooker 10mo ago
          Defaults are powerful.
  • prmoustache 10mo ago
    jami doesn't store message on a server, at least not in 1:1 connection. It is one of the Achille heel in the sense that if you send a message, your recipient is offline, then you go offline before your recipient goes online the message will not have been delivered and will wait until both are online at the same time. It is particularly annoying because most android firmware + iphone kill the app when it is in the background so that people tend to think it is the app that is not working well whereas it is really the operating system that aggressively kill it and prevent it from working well. A workaround for the messages not being received is to have an opened session on the desktop version running 24/7 at home. I read that group chats (swarm) are implemented using git and I think the changes are pushed between clients directly. Again it is nice if you have a permanent group to have at least one client running 24/7