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my question to your anecdotal: who cares? not being fecicious, but who cares if someone reproduced your stuff and millions of people see your stuff? is the mone

my question to your anecdotal: who cares? not being fecicious, but who cares if someone reproduced your stuff and millions of people see your stuff? is the money that you want? is it the fame? because fame you will get, maybe not money... but couldn't there be another way?

netule 10mo ago
Suddenly, copyright doesn't matter anymore when it's no longer useful to the narrative.
- BoorishBears 10mo ago
  OpenAI does care about copyright, thankfully China does not: https://imgur.com/a/RKxYIyi https://imgur.com/a/RKxYIyi (to clarify, OpenAI stops refining the image if a classifier detects your image as potentially violating certain copyrights. Although the gulf in resolution is not caused by that.)
- ragequittah 10mo ago
  Copyright has overstepped its initial purpose by leaps and bounds because corporations make the law. If you're not cynical about how Copyright currently works you probably haven't been paying attention. And it doesn't take much to go from cynical to nihilist in this case.
  - netule 10mo ago
    There's definitely a case of miscommunication at play if you didn't read cynicism into my original post. I broadly agree with you, but I'll leave it at that to prevent further fruitless arguing about specifics.
- CamperBob2 10mo ago
  (Shrug) This is more important. Sorry.
swatcoder 10mo ago
People have values that go beyond wealth and fame. Some people care about things like personal agency, respect and deference, etc. If someone were on vacation and came home to learn that their neighbor had allowed some friends stay in the empty house, we would often expect some kind of outrage regardless of whether there had been specific damage or wear to the home. Culturally, people have deeply set ideas about what's theirs, and feel like they deserve some say over how their things are used and by whom. Even those that are very generous and want their things be widely shared usually want to have have some voice in making that come to be.
- visarga 10mo ago
  If I were a creative I would avoid seeing any work I am not legally allowed to get inspired by, why install furniture into my brain I can't sit on? I see this kind of IP protection as poisoned grounds, can't do anything on top of it.
jibal 10mo ago
facetious [I won't bother responding to the rest of your appalling comment]
- huflungdung 10mo ago
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illwrks 10mo ago
The issue is ownership, not promotion or visibility.
huflungdung 10mo ago
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Forgeties79 10mo ago
As a professional cinematographer/photographer I am incredibly uncomfortable with people using my art without my permission for unknown ends. Doubly so when it’s venture backed private companies stealing from millions of people like me as they make vague promises about the capabilities of their software trained on my work. It doesn’t take much to understand why that makes me uncomfortable and why I feel I am entitled to saying “no.” Legally I am entitled to that in so many cases, yet for some reason Altman et al get to skip that hurdle. Why? How do you feel about entities taking your face off of your personal website and plastering it on billboards smiling happily next to their product? What if it’s for a gun? Or condoms? Or a candidate for a party you don’t support? Pick your own example if none of those bother you. I’m sure there are things you do not want to be associated with/don’t want to contribute to. At the end of the day it’s very gross when we are exploited without our knowledge or permission so rich groups can get richer. I don’t care if my visual work is only partially contributing to some mashed up final image. I don’t want to be a part of it.
- CamperBob2 10mo ago
  The day after I first heard about the Internet, back in 1990-whatever, it occurred to me that I probably shouldn't upload anything to the Internet that I didn't want to see on the front page of tomorrow's newspaper. Apart from the 'newspaper' anachronism, that's pretty much still my take. Sorry, but you'll just have to deal with it and get over it.
  - Forgeties79 10mo ago
    > Sorry, but you'll just have to deal with it and get over it. You were fine until this bit.
    - onraglanroad 10mo ago
      They're still fine because they're right. You got to play the copyright game when the big corps were on your side. Now they're on the other side. Deal with it and get over it.
oxag3n 10mo ago
To clarify my question - I do not want anything I create to be fed into their training data. That photo is just an example that I caught and it became personal. But in general I don't want anymore to open source my code, write articles and put any effort into improving training data set.
whywhywhywhy 10mo ago
The people building the tech are extremely fussy about their work being cited and extremely protective of their models files so they themselves have massive issues with their work being used or replicated non-consensually.

netule 10mo ago

Suddenly, copyright doesn't matter anymore when it's no longer useful to the narrative.

BoorishBears 10mo ago
OpenAI does care about copyright, thankfully China does not: https://imgur.com/a/RKxYIyi https://imgur.com/a/RKxYIyi (to clarify, OpenAI stops refining the image if a classifier detects your image as potentially violating certain copyrights. Although the gulf in resolution is not caused by that.)
ragequittah 10mo ago
Copyright has overstepped its initial purpose by leaps and bounds because corporations make the law. If you're not cynical about how Copyright currently works you probably haven't been paying attention. And it doesn't take much to go from cynical to nihilist in this case.
- netule 10mo ago
  There's definitely a case of miscommunication at play if you didn't read cynicism into my original post. I broadly agree with you, but I'll leave it at that to prevent further fruitless arguing about specifics.
CamperBob2 10mo ago
(Shrug) This is more important. Sorry.

swatcoder 10mo ago

People have values that go beyond wealth and fame. Some people care about things like personal agency, respect and deference, etc. If someone were on vacation and came home to learn that their neighbor had allowed some friends stay in the empty house, we would often expect some kind of outrage regardless of whether there had been specific damage or wear to the home. Culturally, people have deeply set ideas about what's theirs, and feel like they deserve some say over how their things are used and by whom. Even those that are very generous and want their things be widely shared usually want to have have some voice in making that come to be.

visarga 10mo ago
If I were a creative I would avoid seeing any work I am not legally allowed to get inspired by, why install furniture into my brain I can't sit on? I see this kind of IP protection as poisoned grounds, can't do anything on top of it.

jibal 10mo ago

facetious [I won't bother responding to the rest of your appalling comment]

huflungdung 10mo ago
[dead]

illwrks 10mo ago

The issue is ownership, not promotion or visibility.

huflungdung 10mo ago

[dead]

Forgeties79 10mo ago

As a professional cinematographer/photographer I am incredibly uncomfortable with people using my art without my permission for unknown ends. Doubly so when it’s venture backed private companies stealing from millions of people like me as they make vague promises about the capabilities of their software trained on my work. It doesn’t take much to understand why that makes me uncomfortable and why I feel I am entitled to saying “no.” Legally I am entitled to that in so many cases, yet for some reason Altman et al get to skip that hurdle. Why? How do you feel about entities taking your face off of your personal website and plastering it on billboards smiling happily next to their product? What if it’s for a gun? Or condoms? Or a candidate for a party you don’t support? Pick your own example if none of those bother you. I’m sure there are things you do not want to be associated with/don’t want to contribute to. At the end of the day it’s very gross when we are exploited without our knowledge or permission so rich groups can get richer. I don’t care if my visual work is only partially contributing to some mashed up final image. I don’t want to be a part of it.

CamperBob2 10mo ago
The day after I first heard about the Internet, back in 1990-whatever, it occurred to me that I probably shouldn't upload anything to the Internet that I didn't want to see on the front page of tomorrow's newspaper. Apart from the 'newspaper' anachronism, that's pretty much still my take. Sorry, but you'll just have to deal with it and get over it.
- Forgeties79 10mo ago
  > Sorry, but you'll just have to deal with it and get over it. You were fine until this bit.
  - onraglanroad 10mo ago
    They're still fine because they're right. You got to play the copyright game when the big corps were on your side. Now they're on the other side. Deal with it and get over it.

oxag3n 10mo ago

To clarify my question - I do not want anything I create to be fed into their training data. That photo is just an example that I caught and it became personal. But in general I don't want anymore to open source my code, write articles and put any effort into improving training data set.

whywhywhywhy 10mo ago

The people building the tech are extremely fussy about their work being cited and extremely protective of their models files so they themselves have massive issues with their work being used or replicated non-consensually.