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Care to explain how would they get the money in the process you described? Selling privacy to Google or someone is the only money maker they have. There is no

Care to explain how would they get the money in the process you described? Selling privacy to Google or someone is the only money maker they have. There is no reason to believe manager pay is even 10% of the total expense.

maxrmk 10mo ago
Google (currently) pays Mozilla $400-500 million a year to be the default search engine in firefox. edit: in 2023 they took in $653M in total, $555M of which was from Google. They spent $260M on software development, and $236M on other things.
- ethbr1 10mo ago
  The "other things" is what most people seem to have problem with. Mozilla burns a batshit amount of money on feel good fancies. If it were focused on its core mission -- building great software in key areas -- it would see it can't afford this, because that's the same money that if saved would make them financially independent of Google.
  - pseudalopex 10mo ago
    > Mozilla burns a batshit amount of money on feel good fancies. How much?
    - vondur 10mo ago
      >$236M on other things This is from another poster. I'm guessing stuff not related to Firefox development.
      - pseudalopex 10mo ago
        $236M included facilities, administration, marketing, and so on.
        account42 10mo ago
        Yes, they should trim most of that fat.
        pseudalopex 10mo ago
        How much is fat?
    - stock_toaster 10mo ago
      > In 2018, Baker received $2,458,350 in compensation from Mozilla. > In 2020, after returning to the position of CEO, Baker's salary was more than $3 million. > In 2021, her salary rose again to more than $5.5 million, > and again to over $6.9 million in 2022. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitchell_Baker#Mozilla_Foundation_and_Mozilla_Corporation
      - pseudalopex 10mo ago
        And what percent of revenue was this?
        ethbr1 10mo ago
        0.55% in 2018, rising to 1.1% in 2022
        pseudalopex 10mo ago
        Saving 1.1% of revenue would make them financially independent of Google?
mixmastamyk 10mo ago
Mozilla took in the money from the distant past all the way into the present. They have leaned into privacy the whole time, while not being perfect. At some point they ease off the google money or it goes away itself. And they move forward on privacy. Google was less demanding in the past as well; they continue to give Apple billions each year. There are a number of privacy-oriented business models, as listed here: https://aol.codeberg.page/eci/status.html https://aol.codeberg.page/eci/status.html - while not as lucrative as some, combined with an endowment its a good living that many companies would envy.

maxrmk 10mo ago

Google (currently) pays Mozilla $400-500 million a year to be the default search engine in firefox. edit: in 2023 they took in $653M in total, $555M of which was from Google. They spent $260M on software development, and $236M on other things.

ethbr1 10mo ago
The "other things" is what most people seem to have problem with. Mozilla burns a batshit amount of money on feel good fancies. If it were focused on its core mission -- building great software in key areas -- it would see it can't afford this, because that's the same money that if saved would make them financially independent of Google.
- pseudalopex 10mo ago
  > Mozilla burns a batshit amount of money on feel good fancies. How much?
  - vondur 10mo ago
    >$236M on other things This is from another poster. I'm guessing stuff not related to Firefox development.
    - pseudalopex 10mo ago
      $236M included facilities, administration, marketing, and so on.
      - account42 10mo ago
        Yes, they should trim most of that fat.
        pseudalopex 10mo ago
        How much is fat?
  - stock_toaster 10mo ago
    > In 2018, Baker received $2,458,350 in compensation from Mozilla. > In 2020, after returning to the position of CEO, Baker's salary was more than $3 million. > In 2021, her salary rose again to more than $5.5 million, > and again to over $6.9 million in 2022. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitchell_Baker#Mozilla_Foundation_and_Mozilla_Corporation
    - pseudalopex 10mo ago
      And what percent of revenue was this?
      - ethbr1 10mo ago
        0.55% in 2018, rising to 1.1% in 2022
        pseudalopex 10mo ago
        Saving 1.1% of revenue would make them financially independent of Google?

mixmastamyk 10mo ago

Mozilla took in the money from the distant past all the way into the present. They have leaned into privacy the whole time, while not being perfect. At some point they ease off the google money or it goes away itself. And they move forward on privacy. Google was less demanding in the past as well; they continue to give Apple billions each year. There are a number of privacy-oriented business models, as listed here: https://aol.codeberg.page/eci/status.html https://aol.codeberg.page/eci/status.html - while not as lucrative as some, combined with an endowment its a good living that many companies would envy.