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First want to address the general hate/distrust Mozilla is getting. Based on their behavior the last many years, this is fair. However, we've got a new CEO, a

First want to address the general hate/distrust Mozilla is getting. Based on their behavior the last many years, this is fair. However, we've got a new CEO, and one from the Firefox side who openly talks about Firefox being the core focus for Mozilla. This is exactly what we've been asking for! I think we should give them a chance. On the AI thing - I don't personally want AI in my browser. However, I do see some inevitability there, and I appreciate the stated approach: > there’s still an AI Mode coming to Firefox next year, which Enzor-DeMeo says will offer users their choice of model and product, all in a browser they can understand and from a company they can trust. If I can easily turn it off or point it at my own provider, this seems fine to me (maybe even good). I'm quite hesitant to let AI take any actions, but if there is sufficient user control/configurability then it could end up being a useful feature. If it's programmable through an API (such as with extensions) I could see some real personal use for that! Let's not forget that Mozilla is one of the most important players in the open web. They made some big mistakes, but if they course correct and become what we need them to be, they could be one of the most important heroes of the time.

hysan 11mo ago
> However, we've got a new CEO, and one from the Firefox side who openly talks about Firefox being the core focus for Mozilla. This is exactly what we've been asking for! I think we should give them a chance. You know the saying “fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me”? Mozilla is well beyond a count of 2 for me and I assume everyone else who is generally pessimistic about every new plea for giving Firefox another chance. While I understand the angle you’re coming from, I think this argument will read as disrespectful to those who have given Firefox multiple chances. Actions speak louder than words. I think that Mozilla has to make multiple moves in the right direction before this type of plea can be made.
remram 11mo ago
When the device sync finally works reliably or bookmark tags work on mobile, I will concede that you've turned a corner. What I expect is more theming and AI bullshit, time will tell.
t23414321 11mo ago
> I think we should give them a chance. Leaving XSLT in web standards and in Firefox would let it keep some comfy useful niche ("resilience" ?). Is that right if Google don't want to keep it - then no one can have it ?! ---------- the truth is static and non-profit, but calculating something can be sold again and again, if you have a hammer (processing) everything looks like a nail, to sell well the word thinking had to be used instead of excuse for every time results being different - then, we can have only things that let someone else keep making profits: JS, LLM, whatever.. (just not.. "XSLT" alike) ? - mind work done already (once is enough) by non-profits or users just outpriced from the market for next few years.

hysan 11mo ago

> However, we've got a new CEO, and one from the Firefox side who openly talks about Firefox being the core focus for Mozilla. This is exactly what we've been asking for! I think we should give them a chance. You know the saying “fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me”? Mozilla is well beyond a count of 2 for me and I assume everyone else who is generally pessimistic about every new plea for giving Firefox another chance. While I understand the angle you’re coming from, I think this argument will read as disrespectful to those who have given Firefox multiple chances. Actions speak louder than words. I think that Mozilla has to make multiple moves in the right direction before this type of plea can be made.

remram 11mo ago

When the device sync finally works reliably or bookmark tags work on mobile, I will concede that you've turned a corner. What I expect is more theming and AI bullshit, time will tell.

t23414321 11mo ago

> I think we should give them a chance. Leaving XSLT in web standards and in Firefox would let it keep some comfy useful niche ("resilience" ?). Is that right if Google don't want to keep it - then no one can have it ?! ---------- the truth is static and non-profit, but calculating something can be sold again and again, if you have a hammer (processing) everything looks like a nail, to sell well the word thinking had to be used instead of excuse for every time results being different - then, we can have only things that let someone else keep making profits: JS, LLM, whatever.. (just not.. "XSLT" alike) ? - mind work done already (once is enough) by non-profits or users just outpriced from the market for next few years.