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As a semi Rust hater, but Firefox user, I believe Mozilla should go absolutely all-in on Rust, for a mixture of direct and indirect effects. That and/or launch

by fidotron 11mo ago

As a semi Rust hater, but Firefox user, I believe Mozilla should go absolutely all-in on Rust, for a mixture of direct and indirect effects. That and/or launch an open source e-Reader development project. No MBA type is going to be able to do anything of the sort.

cies 11mo ago
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- le_stoph 11mo ago
  Obviously through pagan rituals
- alexjplant 11mo ago
  What sort? Inquiring minds and all that... like a "Good Witch of the North"? Or a Hermione Granger type? Or the kind that own crystal shops that serve tea from renewed storefronts in quaint coastal towns?
  - homebrewer 11mo ago
    https://www.theregister.com/2023/10/24/holly_million_gnome/ https://www.theregister.com/2023/10/24/holly_million_gnome/
    - embedding-shape 11mo ago
      Not sure who or how, but someone somewhere confused Gnome for Mozilla/Firefox. The claim was that Mozilla has had an "literal witch as CEO" but that article is about Gnome.
- tristor 11mo ago
  I can only assume you're referring to Mitchell Baker? Mitchell Baker has gotten a /lot/ of negative comments on HN, and some for good reason, but the constant ask of "how she won the position" and the like just shows the ignorance of the commenters... Mitchell Baker co-founded Mozilla, and was the legal mind that structured both the split from Netscape that salvaged the code and wrote the majority of the Mozilla Public License and the legal/philosophical stance of the organization. She's an attorney with a specific background in intellectual property law, and without her contributions the entire world would be poorer for it. Mozilla, long before Firefox, was instrumental in the early parts of the open-source movement helping to define what it even meant to being open-source and creating a more rigorous and legally tested framework. I am not a huge fan of Mitchell, so I understand and agree with much of the criticism, but it stinks of sexism or some other ulterior motive when people "wonderingly" suppose "how she won the position". Is anyone curious how Mark Zuckerberg became CEO of Meta, even though he's mostly blown through billions of dollars on boondoggles and acted in unethical ways? No, not at all, because he's the (co-)founder. So why is a different standard applied for Mitchell? Is it only because she's a woman, or is there some other reason?
  - mohamedattahri 11mo ago
    I can question the qualifications of a person as it relates to a specific position (e.g. CEO), but that doesn't mean I don't respect their past contributions. I find the accusations of sexism towards anyone who dares question her as excessive as some of the comments that were made towards her.
    - tristor 11mo ago
      > I can question the qualifications of a person as it relates to a specific position Sure, but do people generally question the qualifications of founders that successfully grew something from inception? Or is it only for people who are women? Because I definitely see a trend in the comment threads in HN over the last many years.
      - pseudalopex 11mo ago
        Zuckerberg's founder status is known because he was Facebook's most visible person always. Baker's founder status is less known because she was not Mozilla's most visible person most years.
      - mohamedattahri 11mo ago
        This has nothing to do with the founder status. Founders don’t face any competition when they get the job at their own companies, and they often have ownership to force it as an outcome if there’s ever a debate. Baker, to her credit, probably faced brutal competition to get to the top job. It’s not out there to wonder why she was picked, and the answer cannot be because « she was there from the beginning ». HN tends to like people who have a certain understanding of product and technology. Baker’s legal background probably didn’t help put forward her other skills, hence the questions. If the argument is based on trends your personally noticed on HN, then I’m afraid there’s not much to discuss.
        pseudalopex 11mo ago
        > Baker, to her credit, probably faced brutal competition to get to the top job. It’s not out there to wonder why she was picked, and the answer cannot be because « she was there from the beginning ». Baker was Mozilla Foundation's president from founding to 2025. She was Mozilla Corporation's CEO from founding to 2008, interim CEO from 2019 to 2020, and CEO from 2020 to 2024. You think there was brutal competition for Mozilla Corporation CEO in 2020?
- homebrewer 11mo ago
  You've confused them with GNOME. The witch is out, she did not last long.
  - cies 11mo ago
    Oopsie. Yeah that was GNOME. My bad.
- rafram 11mo ago
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  - kbelder 11mo ago
    Irrationally?
nottorp 11mo ago
Setting aside questions like "is Rust a religion or actually useful"... Rewrites tend to kill software projects. Even if you don't completely change the language to boot.

cies 11mo ago

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le_stoph 11mo ago
Obviously through pagan rituals
alexjplant 11mo ago
What sort? Inquiring minds and all that... like a "Good Witch of the North"? Or a Hermione Granger type? Or the kind that own crystal shops that serve tea from renewed storefronts in quaint coastal towns?
- homebrewer 11mo ago
  https://www.theregister.com/2023/10/24/holly_million_gnome/ https://www.theregister.com/2023/10/24/holly_million_gnome/
  - embedding-shape 11mo ago
    Not sure who or how, but someone somewhere confused Gnome for Mozilla/Firefox. The claim was that Mozilla has had an "literal witch as CEO" but that article is about Gnome.
tristor 11mo ago
I can only assume you're referring to Mitchell Baker? Mitchell Baker has gotten a /lot/ of negative comments on HN, and some for good reason, but the constant ask of "how she won the position" and the like just shows the ignorance of the commenters... Mitchell Baker co-founded Mozilla, and was the legal mind that structured both the split from Netscape that salvaged the code and wrote the majority of the Mozilla Public License and the legal/philosophical stance of the organization. She's an attorney with a specific background in intellectual property law, and without her contributions the entire world would be poorer for it. Mozilla, long before Firefox, was instrumental in the early parts of the open-source movement helping to define what it even meant to being open-source and creating a more rigorous and legally tested framework. I am not a huge fan of Mitchell, so I understand and agree with much of the criticism, but it stinks of sexism or some other ulterior motive when people "wonderingly" suppose "how she won the position". Is anyone curious how Mark Zuckerberg became CEO of Meta, even though he's mostly blown through billions of dollars on boondoggles and acted in unethical ways? No, not at all, because he's the (co-)founder. So why is a different standard applied for Mitchell? Is it only because she's a woman, or is there some other reason?
- mohamedattahri 11mo ago
  I can question the qualifications of a person as it relates to a specific position (e.g. CEO), but that doesn't mean I don't respect their past contributions. I find the accusations of sexism towards anyone who dares question her as excessive as some of the comments that were made towards her.
  - tristor 11mo ago
    > I can question the qualifications of a person as it relates to a specific position Sure, but do people generally question the qualifications of founders that successfully grew something from inception? Or is it only for people who are women? Because I definitely see a trend in the comment threads in HN over the last many years.
    - pseudalopex 11mo ago
      Zuckerberg's founder status is known because he was Facebook's most visible person always. Baker's founder status is less known because she was not Mozilla's most visible person most years.
    - mohamedattahri 11mo ago
      This has nothing to do with the founder status. Founders don’t face any competition when they get the job at their own companies, and they often have ownership to force it as an outcome if there’s ever a debate. Baker, to her credit, probably faced brutal competition to get to the top job. It’s not out there to wonder why she was picked, and the answer cannot be because « she was there from the beginning ». HN tends to like people who have a certain understanding of product and technology. Baker’s legal background probably didn’t help put forward her other skills, hence the questions. If the argument is based on trends your personally noticed on HN, then I’m afraid there’s not much to discuss.
      - pseudalopex 11mo ago
        > Baker, to her credit, probably faced brutal competition to get to the top job. It’s not out there to wonder why she was picked, and the answer cannot be because « she was there from the beginning ». Baker was Mozilla Foundation's president from founding to 2025. She was Mozilla Corporation's CEO from founding to 2008, interim CEO from 2019 to 2020, and CEO from 2020 to 2024. You think there was brutal competition for Mozilla Corporation CEO in 2020?
homebrewer 11mo ago
You've confused them with GNOME. The witch is out, she did not last long.
- cies 11mo ago
  Oopsie. Yeah that was GNOME. My bad.
rafram 11mo ago
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- kbelder 11mo ago
  Irrationally?

nottorp 11mo ago

Setting aside questions like "is Rust a religion or actually useful"... Rewrites tend to kill software projects. Even if you don't completely change the language to boot.