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It's worth noting that if the suspect is in Israel, and he nerds to be tried in the US it might be an uphill battle trying to get him extradited. https://jacob

It's worth noting that if the suspect is in Israel, and he nerds to be tried in the US it might be an uphill battle trying to get him extradited. https://jacobin.com/2023/02/israel-law-of-return-extradition-tinder-swindler https://jacobin.com/2023/02/israel-law-of-return-extradition...

lloydatkinson 10mo ago
It’s so predictable by this point
- throwaway198846 10mo ago
  Do you believe all countries should automatically extradiate every person any other country demands? Or that there should be a limit on such process?
  - jack_tripper 10mo ago
    No, but the pattern of criminals of Jewish background fleeing to Israel for protection after commiting a crime, is too often to ignore. Same thing happened in my post communist country and the neighboring country too. Perp stole tens of millons through a banking scam in the 90s, then fled to Israel because he was Jewish and claimed persecution. At which point should the pattern be acknowledged?
    - throwaway198846 10mo ago
      And did you ask Israel for extradition? What his name was? And is this pattern actually unique to Israel or would you find other examples of people escaping to where the law can't reach them? If Israel wanted to convict a dual citizen who fled to your country, what is the required process?
      - jack_tripper 10mo ago
        No, the leaders of my country didn't try any of that. You were the first person to think about those things. I'll pass on your suggestions and hopefully everything gets resolved.
        throwaway198846 10mo ago
        Instead of being sarcastic you could be good faith and provide further information and explore what happened and explain what do you think Israel should do differently?
        jack_tripper 10mo ago
        >Instead of being sarcastic you could be good faith What was bad faith? I told you what happened. I was sarcastic because your comment was redundant and didn't add anything to the conversation, only instigating. > and provide further information explore what happened How does that change the situation? Are you the head prosecutor of Israel and looking to rectify the situation? >what you think Israel should do differently? Extradite them or put them in jail over there and stop being a safe heaven for criminals.
        throwaway198846 10mo ago
        Becuase you made an argument with a single supporting example yet didn't name any name that could be used to verify what you said and let other people judge the case nor have you explained at any point of there was any court procedure in Israel about extradition and whatever he ended up extradited. How are we supposed to disscus particulars like that? Resorting to sarcasm so fast that you aren't interested in genuine discussion. Furthermore if he wasn't extradited, you could use this discussion to make him more (in)famous. > How does that change the situation? Are you the head prosecutor of Israel and looking to rectify the situation? You were claiming that many criminals abuse Israel extradition system to esapce the law. I was making (implicit) claim that there is nothing special about it and if there was abduance of such cases is merely because more people in your country had means to escape to Israel than to other places. As already explained you provided a sole lacking in information example and I wanted more. And because you were being glib, I will be too, yes for all you know I am Israel's head prosecutor.
  - 55555 10mo ago
    Israel is a special case.
    - Foobar8568 10mo ago
      No it's not.
    - morellt 10mo ago
      Our greatest ally
colinb 10mo ago
It definitely seems uphill but not infinitely so. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-55795075.amp https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-55795075.amp Though that case, returning an alleged, now convicted child rapist took decades. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malka_Leifer_affair https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malka_Leifer_affair As a not-Israeli Jew the reluctance of the Israeli government to send alleged criminals for trial overseas doesn’t make me happy, but I also remember that there are some reasons for this.
- jsmith99 10mo ago
  Unfortunately many countries have blanket extradition bans. US is one of the worst - it caused a lot of tension in the past when they wouldn't extradite IRA bombers but got UK to agree to extradite anyone US wanted.
chaostheory 10mo ago
According to the article Erez Hadari, the man supposedly affiliated with the organization, is in Canada at the time of writing
cowpig 10mo ago
Side-note: imagine how much work law enforcement has put into these kinds of cases over the years only for the perpetrators of fraud to be pardoned. Can't imagine how many people who work in law enforcement are furious with the current administration.

lloydatkinson 10mo ago

It’s so predictable by this point

throwaway198846 10mo ago
Do you believe all countries should automatically extradiate every person any other country demands? Or that there should be a limit on such process?
- jack_tripper 10mo ago
  No, but the pattern of criminals of Jewish background fleeing to Israel for protection after commiting a crime, is too often to ignore. Same thing happened in my post communist country and the neighboring country too. Perp stole tens of millons through a banking scam in the 90s, then fled to Israel because he was Jewish and claimed persecution. At which point should the pattern be acknowledged?
  - throwaway198846 10mo ago
    And did you ask Israel for extradition? What his name was? And is this pattern actually unique to Israel or would you find other examples of people escaping to where the law can't reach them? If Israel wanted to convict a dual citizen who fled to your country, what is the required process?
    - jack_tripper 10mo ago
      No, the leaders of my country didn't try any of that. You were the first person to think about those things. I'll pass on your suggestions and hopefully everything gets resolved.
      - throwaway198846 10mo ago
        Instead of being sarcastic you could be good faith and provide further information and explore what happened and explain what do you think Israel should do differently?
        jack_tripper 10mo ago
        >Instead of being sarcastic you could be good faith What was bad faith? I told you what happened. I was sarcastic because your comment was redundant and didn't add anything to the conversation, only instigating. > and provide further information explore what happened How does that change the situation? Are you the head prosecutor of Israel and looking to rectify the situation? >what you think Israel should do differently? Extradite them or put them in jail over there and stop being a safe heaven for criminals.
        throwaway198846 10mo ago
        Becuase you made an argument with a single supporting example yet didn't name any name that could be used to verify what you said and let other people judge the case nor have you explained at any point of there was any court procedure in Israel about extradition and whatever he ended up extradited. How are we supposed to disscus particulars like that? Resorting to sarcasm so fast that you aren't interested in genuine discussion. Furthermore if he wasn't extradited, you could use this discussion to make him more (in)famous. > How does that change the situation? Are you the head prosecutor of Israel and looking to rectify the situation? You were claiming that many criminals abuse Israel extradition system to esapce the law. I was making (implicit) claim that there is nothing special about it and if there was abduance of such cases is merely because more people in your country had means to escape to Israel than to other places. As already explained you provided a sole lacking in information example and I wanted more. And because you were being glib, I will be too, yes for all you know I am Israel's head prosecutor.
- 55555 10mo ago
  Israel is a special case.
  - Foobar8568 10mo ago
    No it's not.
  - morellt 10mo ago
    Our greatest ally

colinb 10mo ago

It definitely seems uphill but not infinitely so. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-55795075.amp https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-55795075.amp Though that case, returning an alleged, now convicted child rapist took decades. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malka_Leifer_affair https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malka_Leifer_affair As a not-Israeli Jew the reluctance of the Israeli government to send alleged criminals for trial overseas doesn’t make me happy, but I also remember that there are some reasons for this.

jsmith99 10mo ago
Unfortunately many countries have blanket extradition bans. US is one of the worst - it caused a lot of tension in the past when they wouldn't extradite IRA bombers but got UK to agree to extradite anyone US wanted.

chaostheory 10mo ago

According to the article Erez Hadari, the man supposedly affiliated with the organization, is in Canada at the time of writing

cowpig 10mo ago

Side-note: imagine how much work law enforcement has put into these kinds of cases over the years only for the perpetrators of fraud to be pardoned. Can't imagine how many people who work in law enforcement are furious with the current administration.