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The fact that you think that his statement is representative of “White Nationalism” is sad.

by db48x 10mo ago

popalchemist 10mo ago
It is, though. The premises of white nationalism, like any form of fascism, require an "out-group," and at the same time a mechanism for convincing the "in-group" that hating them is morally acceptable. The framing of empathy as a vice does that job. It is literally part of their stochastic terrorism strategy. That's why they're so "anti-woke", despite not ever (literally not once) defining what "woke" is. They don't care what it is, or what their constituents think it means. They only care that there is buy-in on the idea that caring for others and being sensitive to their needs is bad. Because that is the prerequisite of the rest of their plans.
tastyface 10mo ago
"Please try to be empathetic and look the other way as your civilization is being raped and murdered into oblivion. Die kindly." You... you think this sentiment is *not* representative of white nationalism? Really? Can you maybe fill in the blanks here? Who is doing the "raping"? Why is "Western civilization" purportedly coming to an end? And when DHH says something like: "In 2000, more than sixty percent of the city were native Brits. By 2024, that had dropped to about a third. A statistic as evident as day when you walk the streets of London now." Could you perhaps explain to me what he might mean by "native Brit"? You know what, I actually don't believe for a second that you're being honest here. You know exactly what this is but you don't want other people to name it. But that's OK: we'll name it for you. Feel free to wear it around your neck.
- throwawaypath 10mo ago
  >Could you perhaps explain to me what he might mean by "native Brit"? English people, which are White Brits, are the only Brits native to London. The English are the indigenous ethnic group to London.
  - dragonwriter 10mo ago
    Britons are indigenous, Anglos and other “White Brits” are invaders. Of course, separating them out at this point has become difficult.
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    - throwawaypath 10mo ago
      >Britons are indigenous, Anglos and other “White Brits” are invaders. Categorically false. "The English people are an ethnic group [...] native to England." [0] "[White Brits] is an ethnicity classification used for the White population identifying as English..." [1] The English are the native and indigenous ethnic group to England (London). White Brits are a category that includes the English. >Of course, separating them out at this point has become difficult. There is no separation nor difficulty: English people are the indigenous and native group to London. QED. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_people https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_people [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_British# https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_British#
  - tastyface 10mo ago
    In other words, exactly what I pointed out: DHH is saying that London is not white enough for his tastes. Nonwhites with British citizenship, apparently, aren’t "real" Londoners or Brits. White nationalists should own their scummy politics instead of pretending we’re all idiots.
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    - throwawaypath 10mo ago
      >In other words, exactly what I pointed out What you're "pointing out" is your failure of understanding what words mean. >DHH is saying that London is not white enough for his tastes. DHH explicitly said "native Brits," not "White people." Russians may be "White," but are not "native Brits." London wouldn't feel like London if it was 60% Russian. >Nonwhites with British citizenship, apparently, aren’t "real" Londoners or Brits. They are by definition not "native Brits." >White nationalists should own their scummy politics instead of pretending we’re all idiots. Nothing he stated is White nationalist. There's nothing wrong with promoting or protecting the interests of native/indigenous people over those of immigrants or foreigners.
mothballed 10mo ago
Even if it is, it's not exactly a head scratcher how things end up like this. The Jews have their Israeli ethno-state. In Liberia for instance, citizenship is limited to blacks. Armenia has special citizenship progression for Armenians for instance. China is incredibly difficult to be a citizen unless you are ethnic Chinese. Most (arab) gulf states are ethno-states, muslims have countries like Afghanistan where pretty much any Muslim could settle and live in Shariah law. Musk basically left south Africa around the time segregation ended. There is massive demand for white nationalist state as Western nations open themselves to multi-culturalism and there is basically no 'refuge' left for white nationalists unless you are Serbian or something. The fact that ethno-states probably aren't defensible doesn't negate the fact white supremacists exist en masse and have demand for something that no longer exists, looking at examples of everyone else getting it, and scheming how they can get it for themselves. The only question is where they will end up focusing their collective energy.
- tastyface 10mo ago
  Except "white" is not a race, but a fluid and constantly shifting ethnic category (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_people#Modern_racial_hierarchies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_people#Modern_racial_hie...). The very idea of white nationalism is folly. Irish and Italians (plus other southern Europeans) weren't even considered white until fairly recently, and Jewish whiteness always seems to be first on the chopping block once hardliners are in power. In other words, a white ethnostate is de facto a multicultural state, and once all the indisputably nonwhite people are eliminated, the remaining far-rightists will happily start killing each other.
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  - steve-atx-7600 10mo ago
    Mass delusions don’t have to make sense.
    - mothballed 10mo ago
smithoc 10mo ago
The parent comment, and the series of messages they linked to, are such peak "terminally online" content that I suspect nothing one can write here can help. The paranoia and distrust is so intense that every statement will be seen as a coded phrase, "dog whistle" or obscure reference to some sinister thing. Which is particularly unfortunate, because I think Elon's tweet is genuinely wrong and bad. But it kinda feels like these people need to disconnect from the internet and go for a walk. Maybe have a real life conversation with a real life regular person on the other side of the political aisle.
- scarmig 10mo ago
  The dynamic seems to be identifying some phrasing as a secret neo-Nazi dogwhistle and haranguing people who use it. However, that doesn't effect any change, so a new word has to be identified as secretly neo-Nazi. Repeat ad infinitum, until the terminally online exist in such a rarefied universe that 99% of all humans are secret neo-Nazis. This is bad, because it both 1) waters down actual neo-Naziism (which is fringe and rare) and worse 2) alienates people to the point where they support non-neo-Nazi but bad policy. (For me personally, my take on "Western Civilization" is along the lines of Gandhi: I think it'd be a wonderful idea.)
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- tastyface 10mo ago
  What are you talking about? This rhetoric isn't a dogwhistle anymore, it's literal neonazi language going back to the David Duke/KKK days. Same for so-called "remigration" which has been coming up with stunning regularity: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remigration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remigration. When I was growing up you would become a social pariah for spouting this kind of stuff. I don't get it. Are you waiting for someone to literally say "I fucking hate brown people and love Hitler" before calling them out? For what it's worth, we're basically already there. See Trump's recent remarks about Somalis. EDIT: and somehow I forgot the time when Young Republicans were LITERALLY PRAISING HITLER, then doubled down when exposed: https://www.politico.com/news/2025/10/14/private-chat-among-young-gop-club-members-00592146 https://www.politico.com/news/2025/10/14/private-chat-among-... You're blind to what you don't care to see, I guess. As for people on the opposite side of the political aisle from me, they're busy dragging Latino children out of schools and abducting people who overstayed their visa to Salvadoran torture camps, or supporting the same, so fuck their inhuman politics very much indeed.

The fact that you think that his statement is representative of “White Nationalism” is sad.

by db48x 10mo ago

The fact that you think that his statement is representative of “White Nationalism” is sad.

It is, though. The premises of white nationalism, like any form of fascism, require an "out-group," and at the same time a mechanism for convincing the "in-group" that hating them is morally acceptable. The framing of empathy as a vice does that job. It is literally part of their stochastic terrorism strategy. That's why they're so "anti-woke", despite not ever (literally not once) defining what "woke" is. They don't care what it is, or what their constituents think it means. They only care that there is buy-in on the idea that caring for others and being sensitive to their needs is bad. Because that is the prerequisite of the rest of their plans.

tastyface 10mo ago

"Please try to be empathetic and look the other way as your civilization is being raped and murdered into oblivion. Die kindly." You... you think this sentiment is *not* representative of white nationalism? Really? Can you maybe fill in the blanks here? Who is doing the "raping"? Why is "Western civilization" purportedly coming to an end? And when DHH says something like: "In 2000, more than sixty percent of the city were native Brits. By 2024, that had dropped to about a third. A statistic as evident as day when you walk the streets of London now." Could you perhaps explain to me what he might mean by "native Brit"? You know what, I actually don't believe for a second that you're being honest here. You know exactly what this is but you don't want other people to name it. But that's OK: we'll name it for you. Feel free to wear it around your neck.

throwawaypath 10mo ago
>Could you perhaps explain to me what he might mean by "native Brit"? English people, which are White Brits, are the only Brits native to London. The English are the indigenous ethnic group to London.
- dragonwriter 10mo ago
  Britons are indigenous, Anglos and other “White Brits” are invaders. Of course, separating them out at this point has become difficult.
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  - throwawaypath 10mo ago
    >Britons are indigenous, Anglos and other “White Brits” are invaders. Categorically false. "The English people are an ethnic group [...] native to England." [0] "[White Brits] is an ethnicity classification used for the White population identifying as English..." [1] The English are the native and indigenous ethnic group to England (London). White Brits are a category that includes the English. >Of course, separating them out at this point has become difficult. There is no separation nor difficulty: English people are the indigenous and native group to London. QED. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_people https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_people [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_British# https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_British#
- tastyface 10mo ago
  In other words, exactly what I pointed out: DHH is saying that London is not white enough for his tastes. Nonwhites with British citizenship, apparently, aren’t "real" Londoners or Brits. White nationalists should own their scummy politics instead of pretending we’re all idiots.
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  - throwawaypath 10mo ago
    >In other words, exactly what I pointed out What you're "pointing out" is your failure of understanding what words mean. >DHH is saying that London is not white enough for his tastes. DHH explicitly said "native Brits," not "White people." Russians may be "White," but are not "native Brits." London wouldn't feel like London if it was 60% Russian. >Nonwhites with British citizenship, apparently, aren’t "real" Londoners or Brits. They are by definition not "native Brits." >White nationalists should own their scummy politics instead of pretending we’re all idiots. Nothing he stated is White nationalist. There's nothing wrong with promoting or protecting the interests of native/indigenous people over those of immigrants or foreigners.

mothballed 10mo ago

Even if it is, it's not exactly a head scratcher how things end up like this. The Jews have their Israeli ethno-state. In Liberia for instance, citizenship is limited to blacks. Armenia has special citizenship progression for Armenians for instance. China is incredibly difficult to be a citizen unless you are ethnic Chinese. Most (arab) gulf states are ethno-states, muslims have countries like Afghanistan where pretty much any Muslim could settle and live in Shariah law. Musk basically left south Africa around the time segregation ended. There is massive demand for white nationalist state as Western nations open themselves to multi-culturalism and there is basically no 'refuge' left for white nationalists unless you are Serbian or something. The fact that ethno-states probably aren't defensible doesn't negate the fact white supremacists exist en masse and have demand for something that no longer exists, looking at examples of everyone else getting it, and scheming how they can get it for themselves. The only question is where they will end up focusing their collective energy.

tastyface 10mo ago
Except "white" is not a race, but a fluid and constantly shifting ethnic category (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_people#Modern_racial_hierarchies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_people#Modern_racial_hie...). The very idea of white nationalism is folly. Irish and Italians (plus other southern Europeans) weren't even considered white until fairly recently, and Jewish whiteness always seems to be first on the chopping block once hardliners are in power. In other words, a white ethnostate is de facto a multicultural state, and once all the indisputably nonwhite people are eliminated, the remaining far-rightists will happily start killing each other.
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- steve-atx-7600 10mo ago
  Mass delusions don’t have to make sense.
  - mothballed 10mo ago

smithoc 10mo ago

The parent comment, and the series of messages they linked to, are such peak "terminally online" content that I suspect nothing one can write here can help. The paranoia and distrust is so intense that every statement will be seen as a coded phrase, "dog whistle" or obscure reference to some sinister thing. Which is particularly unfortunate, because I think Elon's tweet is genuinely wrong and bad. But it kinda feels like these people need to disconnect from the internet and go for a walk. Maybe have a real life conversation with a real life regular person on the other side of the political aisle.

scarmig 10mo ago
The dynamic seems to be identifying some phrasing as a secret neo-Nazi dogwhistle and haranguing people who use it. However, that doesn't effect any change, so a new word has to be identified as secretly neo-Nazi. Repeat ad infinitum, until the terminally online exist in such a rarefied universe that 99% of all humans are secret neo-Nazis. This is bad, because it both 1) waters down actual neo-Naziism (which is fringe and rare) and worse 2) alienates people to the point where they support non-neo-Nazi but bad policy. (For me personally, my take on "Western Civilization" is along the lines of Gandhi: I think it'd be a wonderful idea.)
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tastyface 10mo ago
What are you talking about? This rhetoric isn't a dogwhistle anymore, it's literal neonazi language going back to the David Duke/KKK days. Same for so-called "remigration" which has been coming up with stunning regularity: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remigration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remigration. When I was growing up you would become a social pariah for spouting this kind of stuff. I don't get it. Are you waiting for someone to literally say "I fucking hate brown people and love Hitler" before calling them out? For what it's worth, we're basically already there. See Trump's recent remarks about Somalis. EDIT: and somehow I forgot the time when Young Republicans were LITERALLY PRAISING HITLER, then doubled down when exposed: https://www.politico.com/news/2025/10/14/private-chat-among-young-gop-club-members-00592146 https://www.politico.com/news/2025/10/14/private-chat-among-... You're blind to what you don't care to see, I guess. As for people on the opposite side of the political aisle from me, they're busy dragging Latino children out of schools and abducting people who overstayed their visa to Salvadoran torture camps, or supporting the same, so fuck their inhuman politics very much indeed.