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As a reminder of the timeline: - November 2023: audio leaked of Apartheid Defense League CEO Jonathon Greenblatt saying they had a Tiktok problem [1] because T

by jmyeet 11mo ago

As a reminder of the timeline: - November 2023: audio leaked of Apartheid Defense League CEO Jonathon Greenblatt saying they had a Tiktok problem [1] because Tiktok didn't sufficiently censor live broadcast of the genocide, unlike, say, Meta [2] - 5 March 2024: the bill to ban Tiktok was introduced to the Senate [3]; - 7 March 2024: the bill passes the Senate; - 13 March 2024: the bill passes the House; - 24 April 2024: Biden signs the bill into law. So yes the Tiktok "ban" was about a foreign government, just not the one usually stated. Larry Ellison is the world's second richest man. His son, David Ellison, now heads Paramount Skydance and are key players in the Tiktok acquisition. David Ellison acquired CBS News and put Bari Weiss in charge of it. Why was CBS News for sale? Because 60 Minutes said one slightly negative thing about Israel's involvement in Gaza so Shari Redstone sold it to Paramount [4]. What I find both funny and depressing is that the US government is doing exactly what they accuse China of doing. It's not even a partisan issue. On foreign policy, America is uniparty, just like China. For anyone who follows legislative affairs, this rocketed through. [1]: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/inside-adl-anti-defamation-league-greenblatt-zionism-trump-gaza.html https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/inside-adl-anti-defa... [2]: https://www.hrw.org/report/2023/12/21/metas-broken-promises/systemic-censorship-palestine-content-instagram-and https://www.hrw.org/report/2023/12/21/metas-broken-promises/... [3]: https://nolabels.org/the-latest/tiktok-ban-timeline-how-trump-keeps-pushing-the-deadline/ https://nolabels.org/the-latest/tiktok-ban-timeline-how-trum... [4]: https://www.cjr.org/feature/cbs-news-redstone-ellison-60-minutes-trump-israel-gaza-tipping-point.php https://www.cjr.org/feature/cbs-news-redstone-ellison-60-min...

irishcoffee 11mo ago
> On foreign policy, America is uniparty, just like China. Oh, do tell of the countries that aren’t uniparties when talking about national security. Oh, none of them? So just making a bullshit false equivalence?
seizethecheese 11mo ago
I’m confused. Why are you alleging a link between the first few bullet points? I'm not saying there's no link, but it certainly doesn't seem obvious without some substantiation.
- boredpeter 11mo ago
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- skdhshdd 11mo ago
  The pro Israel lobby in America is very powerful. Once they saw a threat to their interests (Netanyahu’s 8th front) they exercised this power to quickly achieve a major goal.
  - MPSFounder 11mo ago
    Hopefully not for long. America will be freed from this vermin. Those that starve and rape children like the Israel-is do, hide it by banning journalists from ghaza, and censor our citizens do not deserve to be part of the west.
SilverElfin 11mo ago
This is just trying to fit different data points to confirm a conspiratorial narrative around Israel. The reality is that China has a tool to manipulate and influence American politics in TikTok, where there is no transparency around what their algorithm does or what censorship/amplification they perform manually. On top of that, TikTok lied about data collection on kids (https://www.npr.org/2024/08/02/nx-s1-5061604/doj-sues-tiktok-for-unlawful-data-collection-from-kids https://www.npr.org/2024/08/02/nx-s1-5061604/doj-sues-tiktok...), lied about where data is sent (https://www.techspot.com/news/104032-us-claims-tiktok-collected-data-user-views-about.html https://www.techspot.com/news/104032-us-claims-tiktok-collec...), and their CEO literally lied under oath (https://walberg.house.gov/media/press-releases/walberg-urges-department-justice-review-false-statements-made-tiktok-ceo-under https://walberg.house.gov/media/press-releases/walberg-urges...). The executives of TikTok should be in jail. The US government has considered TikTok a national security issue for a long time, and considered banning it even back in 2020 - a full 3 years before October 7th. So it has nothing to do with Israel, or Jews, or Gaza, and everything to do with not following American laws, defending against asymmetric warfare from the Chinese government, and national security.
- boredpeter 11mo ago
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- MPSFounder 11mo ago
  I think you are wrong. Anyone who is not blind sees this is about Ghaza. I would feel much better if someone besides Ellison (a religious jewish man who is pro Israel) did not control TikTok. Israel is losing support in the West (and rightfully so) at an alarming rate. Netanyahu himself said controlling social media (and singled out Tiktok) is imperative for Israel to continue its genocide. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/3tdrO8bA7rs https://www.youtube.com/shorts/3tdrO8bA7rs
  - mobtrain 11mo ago
    Man this place used to be for intelligent conversation once… absolutely tragic.
zeroonetwothree 11mo ago
Post hoc non es propter hoc

by jmyeet 11mo ago

irishcoffee 11mo ago

> On foreign policy, America is uniparty, just like China. Oh, do tell of the countries that aren’t uniparties when talking about national security. Oh, none of them? So just making a bullshit false equivalence?

seizethecheese 11mo ago

I’m confused. Why are you alleging a link between the first few bullet points? I'm not saying there's no link, but it certainly doesn't seem obvious without some substantiation.

boredpeter 11mo ago
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skdhshdd 11mo ago
The pro Israel lobby in America is very powerful. Once they saw a threat to their interests (Netanyahu’s 8th front) they exercised this power to quickly achieve a major goal.
- MPSFounder 11mo ago
  Hopefully not for long. America will be freed from this vermin. Those that starve and rape children like the Israel-is do, hide it by banning journalists from ghaza, and censor our citizens do not deserve to be part of the west.

SilverElfin 11mo ago

This is just trying to fit different data points to confirm a conspiratorial narrative around Israel. The reality is that China has a tool to manipulate and influence American politics in TikTok, where there is no transparency around what their algorithm does or what censorship/amplification they perform manually. On top of that, TikTok lied about data collection on kids (https://www.npr.org/2024/08/02/nx-s1-5061604/doj-sues-tiktok-for-unlawful-data-collection-from-kids https://www.npr.org/2024/08/02/nx-s1-5061604/doj-sues-tiktok...), lied about where data is sent (https://www.techspot.com/news/104032-us-claims-tiktok-collected-data-user-views-about.html https://www.techspot.com/news/104032-us-claims-tiktok-collec...), and their CEO literally lied under oath (https://walberg.house.gov/media/press-releases/walberg-urges-department-justice-review-false-statements-made-tiktok-ceo-under https://walberg.house.gov/media/press-releases/walberg-urges...). The executives of TikTok should be in jail. The US government has considered TikTok a national security issue for a long time, and considered banning it even back in 2020 - a full 3 years before October 7th. So it has nothing to do with Israel, or Jews, or Gaza, and everything to do with not following American laws, defending against asymmetric warfare from the Chinese government, and national security.

boredpeter 11mo ago
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MPSFounder 11mo ago
I think you are wrong. Anyone who is not blind sees this is about Ghaza. I would feel much better if someone besides Ellison (a religious jewish man who is pro Israel) did not control TikTok. Israel is losing support in the West (and rightfully so) at an alarming rate. Netanyahu himself said controlling social media (and singled out Tiktok) is imperative for Israel to continue its genocide. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/3tdrO8bA7rs https://www.youtube.com/shorts/3tdrO8bA7rs
- mobtrain 11mo ago
  Man this place used to be for intelligent conversation once… absolutely tragic.

zeroonetwothree 11mo ago

Post hoc non es propter hoc