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This is fine though. I’m glad I can watch Game of Thrones, which is only possible because we can keep it away from kids. Same with drinking, etc. Ideally ther

This is fine though. I’m glad I can watch Game of Thrones, which is only possible because we can keep it away from kids. Same with drinking, etc. Ideally there were would be well moderated sites for children, but that’s not practical. Saying “let’s move kids out of this area so we can do grown up stuff” is totally fine. It protects children while not infringing on adults freedoms.

water-data-dude 10mo ago
If you were able to JUST "move the kids out of this area", that would be one thing, but we can't do it without treading on the rights of adults - especially their right to privacy and anonymity. There are technically some implementations that will let adults prove they're adults while staying anonymous, but none of those implementations have gained serious traction with an actual government. The actual, REAL result is "you can't go online anonymously" - because governments and ad tech companies are DYING to know everything you look at and say online. The kids are an excuse, just like they've always been.
rainonmoon 10mo ago
This comment is a neat encapsulation of the hypocrisy in the “think of the children” mentality. We’ve gotta protect the kids, let’s push them around like obstacles and exclude them from society! Meanwhile, social media is melting the brains of everyone over 45 into relitigating moon landing conspiracies. Maybe a bit less time in YouTube holes and a bit more time actually parenting would be good for both parties.
- aaplok 10mo ago
  > a bit more time actually parenting Well, "blame the parents" is as hypocritical as "think of the children". It just displaces the responsibility of excluding kids from society from the community to the parents. Creating a safe society for everyone is one of the roles of the state/government. That is why they are granted a monopoly on violence. As you rightly say, children are members of the society and therefore they are included in that responsibility. The Australian government should be rightly criticized for passing a law that makes being online less safe for adults. However, that doesn't mean we should dismiss the alleged aim of the law, protecting children from harmful online content. It is a real problem that deserves serious attention.
  - rainonmoon 10mo ago
    I don’t think we should pass laws just because there was allegedly a nice thought behind him. More reasonable protections have been in discussion for long before this entered the picture. That aside, you probably missed this, but the exact same government passed a law to convict children with adult sentences in the same week as this. You probably also missed that this same government which pledged to pass ready-to-go privacy laws at the start of its previous term has taken that off the table. There were plenty of other options that were already being deliberated to deal with your concerns, but this government is the one that has “dismissed” them, not critics of this reactionary theatre.

water-data-dude 10mo ago

If you were able to JUST "move the kids out of this area", that would be one thing, but we can't do it without treading on the rights of adults - especially their right to privacy and anonymity. There are technically some implementations that will let adults prove they're adults while staying anonymous, but none of those implementations have gained serious traction with an actual government. The actual, REAL result is "you can't go online anonymously" - because governments and ad tech companies are DYING to know everything you look at and say online. The kids are an excuse, just like they've always been.

rainonmoon 10mo ago

This comment is a neat encapsulation of the hypocrisy in the “think of the children” mentality. We’ve gotta protect the kids, let’s push them around like obstacles and exclude them from society! Meanwhile, social media is melting the brains of everyone over 45 into relitigating moon landing conspiracies. Maybe a bit less time in YouTube holes and a bit more time actually parenting would be good for both parties.

aaplok 10mo ago
> a bit more time actually parenting Well, "blame the parents" is as hypocritical as "think of the children". It just displaces the responsibility of excluding kids from society from the community to the parents. Creating a safe society for everyone is one of the roles of the state/government. That is why they are granted a monopoly on violence. As you rightly say, children are members of the society and therefore they are included in that responsibility. The Australian government should be rightly criticized for passing a law that makes being online less safe for adults. However, that doesn't mean we should dismiss the alleged aim of the law, protecting children from harmful online content. It is a real problem that deserves serious attention.
- rainonmoon 10mo ago
  I don’t think we should pass laws just because there was allegedly a nice thought behind him. More reasonable protections have been in discussion for long before this entered the picture. That aside, you probably missed this, but the exact same government passed a law to convict children with adult sentences in the same week as this. You probably also missed that this same government which pledged to pass ready-to-go privacy laws at the start of its previous term has taken that off the table. There were plenty of other options that were already being deliberated to deal with your concerns, but this government is the one that has “dismissed” them, not critics of this reactionary theatre.