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> If you think otherwise, you're in a filter bubble. Belittling. Excellent way to get your point across. > They actively recruit on elite engineering campuses

by mbesto 10mo ago

> If you think otherwise, you're in a filter bubble. Belittling. Excellent way to get your point across. > They actively recruit on elite engineering campuses over it. It is super fucking interesting work and candidates compete for the opportunity to do it. This seems like it should be an easy thing to verify with some sort of reference. This is exactly what the parent comment is suggesting and you still flippantly are avoiding it as "trust me bro". I actually believe you, so why don't you share some evidence then?

tptacek 10mo ago
I don't really care in this instance, because the information I'm relaying here is obviously, verifiably correct. It's not like, a persuasion challenge for me here. I'm just relating basic facts.
- mbesto 10mo ago
  Flippant again. Nice.
  - tptacek 10mo ago
    If you have something to say, I think you should say it. This is vacuous. I understand why it's unpopular to relate the fact that applications for serious surveillance/espionage CNE work at NSA are competitive, and that the USG is very open about soliciting those applications. It remains a fact. Feel free to challenge me on that; we can go deeper. What I'm not going to do is write you an apology for confronting you with that information.
    - mbesto 10mo ago
      > I understand why it's unpopular to relate the fact that applications for serious surveillance/espionage CNE work at NSA are competitive, and that the USG is very open about soliciting those applications. And I'm not challenging you on that, at all. I actually believe you are correct because you typically provide very thoughtful answers from a position of authority and usually bring evidence to back your assertions. In this case, you're not. Your comments are childish and makes your position way less believable and hence why I'm pushing you. > It remains a fact. Just because you say it's a fact doesn't mean it is. The fact that you've done nothing but say "I know its a fact so therefore it is" doesn't help your position either. > What I'm not going to do is write you an apology for confronting you with that information. Yeesh. Chill out. I never asked for an apology. Your discourse is belittling and unproductive.

by mbesto 10mo ago

tptacek 10mo ago

I don't really care in this instance, because the information I'm relaying here is obviously, verifiably correct. It's not like, a persuasion challenge for me here. I'm just relating basic facts.

mbesto 10mo ago
Flippant again. Nice.
- tptacek 10mo ago
  If you have something to say, I think you should say it. This is vacuous. I understand why it's unpopular to relate the fact that applications for serious surveillance/espionage CNE work at NSA are competitive, and that the USG is very open about soliciting those applications. It remains a fact. Feel free to challenge me on that; we can go deeper. What I'm not going to do is write you an apology for confronting you with that information.
  - mbesto 10mo ago
    > I understand why it's unpopular to relate the fact that applications for serious surveillance/espionage CNE work at NSA are competitive, and that the USG is very open about soliciting those applications. And I'm not challenging you on that, at all. I actually believe you are correct because you typically provide very thoughtful answers from a position of authority and usually bring evidence to back your assertions. In this case, you're not. Your comments are childish and makes your position way less believable and hence why I'm pushing you. > It remains a fact. Just because you say it's a fact doesn't mean it is. The fact that you've done nothing but say "I know its a fact so therefore it is" doesn't help your position either. > What I'm not going to do is write you an apology for confronting you with that information. Yeesh. Chill out. I never asked for an apology. Your discourse is belittling and unproductive.