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>Since police are part of the law, when they don't hold their own accountable, there's no recourse. And that's a real problem. I don't see how this is a releva

by gruez 11mo ago

>Since police are part of the law, when they don't hold their own accountable, there's no recourse. And that's a real problem. I don't see how this is a relevant factor for the two cases I mentioned. Sure, it's bad that are part of the justice system, and therefore you can't use the justice system to correct their misbehavior, but you're not going to involve the justice system for incompetent teachers, or not enough doctors being admitted. For all intents and purposes the dynamic is the same.

shadowgovt 11mo ago
> incompetent teachers I'm not really talking about incompetence, and incomptenece isn't the largest issue in the category of "things that make people say ACAB." https://www.wtrf.com/top-stories/teacher-charged-with-sex-crimes-against-2-minors-in-pennsylvania/ https://www.wtrf.com/top-stories/teacher-charged-with-sex-cr... I am not at all joking when I make the claim that police committing sex crimes is a problem that is frequently swept under the rug by both police internal affairs and the judicial system. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/08/daniel-holtzclaw-lawsuit-sexual-assault-complaint-police-cover-up https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/08/daniel-holtz...
thatcat 11mo ago
Teachers and doctors may abuse their authority, but there is a sharp legal limit to what they can get away with.
- ethbr1 11mo ago
  There are sharp legal limits to what cops can get away with: they've just historically been unenforced by government prosecutors and/or juries.
  - AngryData 11mo ago
    Those limits don't seem very sharp if they are rarely enforces.
mrwrong 11mo ago
you are definitely going to start involving the justice system if teachers and doctors start physically abusing people, illegally detaining them and killing them!
- roywiggins 11mo ago
  that is unfortunately less true that you might think for some students: https://www.propublica.org/article/garrison-school-illinois-autistic-student-dragged-ankle https://www.propublica.org/article/garrison-school-illinois-... https://www.propublica.org/article/shrub-oak-school-autism-new-york-education-oversight https://www.propublica.org/article/shrub-oak-school-autism-n... https://autisticadvocacy.org/actioncenter/issues/school/climate/jrc/ https://autisticadvocacy.org/actioncenter/issues/school/clim... https://www.the74million.org/article/trump-officials-autism-schools-secluded-and-restrained-students-at-high-rates https://www.the74million.org/article/trump-officials-autism-... "Selected Cases of Death and Abuse at Public and Private Schools and Treatment Centers" https://www.gao.gov/assets/gao-09-719t.pdf https://www.gao.gov/assets/gao-09-719t.pdf > Death ruled a homicide but grand jury did not indict teacher. Teacher currently teaches in Virginia https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/area-special-ed-teacher-suspended-after-texas-death-revealed/1875627/ https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/area-special-ed-tea...

by gruez 11mo ago

shadowgovt 11mo ago

> incompetent teachers I'm not really talking about incompetence, and incomptenece isn't the largest issue in the category of "things that make people say ACAB." https://www.wtrf.com/top-stories/teacher-charged-with-sex-crimes-against-2-minors-in-pennsylvania/ https://www.wtrf.com/top-stories/teacher-charged-with-sex-cr... I am not at all joking when I make the claim that police committing sex crimes is a problem that is frequently swept under the rug by both police internal affairs and the judicial system. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/08/daniel-holtzclaw-lawsuit-sexual-assault-complaint-police-cover-up https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/08/daniel-holtz...

thatcat 11mo ago

Teachers and doctors may abuse their authority, but there is a sharp legal limit to what they can get away with.

ethbr1 11mo ago
There are sharp legal limits to what cops can get away with: they've just historically been unenforced by government prosecutors and/or juries.
- AngryData 11mo ago
  Those limits don't seem very sharp if they are rarely enforces.

mrwrong 11mo ago

you are definitely going to start involving the justice system if teachers and doctors start physically abusing people, illegally detaining them and killing them!

roywiggins 11mo ago
that is unfortunately less true that you might think for some students: https://www.propublica.org/article/garrison-school-illinois-autistic-student-dragged-ankle https://www.propublica.org/article/garrison-school-illinois-... https://www.propublica.org/article/shrub-oak-school-autism-new-york-education-oversight https://www.propublica.org/article/shrub-oak-school-autism-n... https://autisticadvocacy.org/actioncenter/issues/school/climate/jrc/ https://autisticadvocacy.org/actioncenter/issues/school/clim... https://www.the74million.org/article/trump-officials-autism-schools-secluded-and-restrained-students-at-high-rates https://www.the74million.org/article/trump-officials-autism-... "Selected Cases of Death and Abuse at Public and Private Schools and Treatment Centers" https://www.gao.gov/assets/gao-09-719t.pdf https://www.gao.gov/assets/gao-09-719t.pdf > Death ruled a homicide but grand jury did not indict teacher. Teacher currently teaches in Virginia https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/area-special-ed-teacher-suspended-after-texas-death-revealed/1875627/ https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/area-special-ed-tea...