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What are you talking about? >99% of all Austrian employment contracts are based on and negotiated by the unions here. Is our school system failing? No. Is our

by rcbdev 10mo ago

What are you talking about? >99% of all Austrian employment contracts are based on and negotiated by the unions here. Is our school system failing? No. Is our public infrastructure somehow inferior? No. The U.S. is much less unionized and much worse off for it.

jdross 10mo ago
Specifically in the US context, this is failing. And 70% of our teachers are unionized, with unionized districts seeming to underperform equivalent non-unionized districts (despite researchers repeatedly trying to find the opposite, the stats just are what they are) You need to be able to explain this better than “look at Austria”. Nearly everything about Austria is different than the US.
- sillyfluke 10mo ago
  >Specifically in the US context, this is failing. You have existing counterexamples in other countries who don't employ your suggested tweeks. It's a sign you should go back to the drawing board (and history books). Ask the customers: Ok great. I can already see how well that would've worked in the past. Tobacco smokers are pissed off at the rioting slaves for slowing down shipments. Boo-hoo. There's stats being thrown about that this Black Friday the number of people buying shit decreased even though the amount of shit bought was higher. Even if you ignore that point but can concede the growing wealth inequality is a thing (consumer class is shrinking but getting richer), you should be able to understand why giving more weight to the wealthier class should be thought about twice.
- IAmBroom 10mo ago
  You made the assertion (teachers unions are failing students). The burden of proof is 100% on you.
harvey9 10mo ago
Are you referring to public sector teaching jobs in both cases?
- rcbdev 9mo ago
  I am referring to all employees in Austria, private and public sector. 99% of all Austrian employees are fully covered by collective agreements, which are negotiated by our labour unions under the Labour Constitution Act.
taylodl 10mo ago
Winston Churchill one quipped 'You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they’ve tried everything else.' I suppose that also applies to managing their societal affairs as well. The upside to falling so far behind the industrial world? There are plenty of proven solutions to copy to which they'll loudly proclaim as their own stroke of genius.

by rcbdev 10mo ago

jdross 10mo ago

Specifically in the US context, this is failing. And 70% of our teachers are unionized, with unionized districts seeming to underperform equivalent non-unionized districts (despite researchers repeatedly trying to find the opposite, the stats just are what they are) You need to be able to explain this better than “look at Austria”. Nearly everything about Austria is different than the US.

sillyfluke 10mo ago
>Specifically in the US context, this is failing. You have existing counterexamples in other countries who don't employ your suggested tweeks. It's a sign you should go back to the drawing board (and history books). Ask the customers: Ok great. I can already see how well that would've worked in the past. Tobacco smokers are pissed off at the rioting slaves for slowing down shipments. Boo-hoo. There's stats being thrown about that this Black Friday the number of people buying shit decreased even though the amount of shit bought was higher. Even if you ignore that point but can concede the growing wealth inequality is a thing (consumer class is shrinking but getting richer), you should be able to understand why giving more weight to the wealthier class should be thought about twice.
IAmBroom 10mo ago
You made the assertion (teachers unions are failing students). The burden of proof is 100% on you.

harvey9 10mo ago

Are you referring to public sector teaching jobs in both cases?

rcbdev 9mo ago
I am referring to all employees in Austria, private and public sector. 99% of all Austrian employees are fully covered by collective agreements, which are negotiated by our labour unions under the Labour Constitution Act.

taylodl 10mo ago

Winston Churchill one quipped 'You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they’ve tried everything else.' I suppose that also applies to managing their societal affairs as well. The upside to falling so far behind the industrial world? There are plenty of proven solutions to copy to which they'll loudly proclaim as their own stroke of genius.