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Sure, but one key difference is that if either of those groups steps outside the law, you can recourse to the law to check them. Since police are part of the l
by shadowgovt 10mo ago
Sure, but one key difference is that if either of those groups steps outside the law, you can recourse to the law to check them.
Since police are part of the law, when they don't hold their own accountable, there's no recourse. And that's a real problem. This is before one even starts unpacking the knapsack of how much law is designed to protect the police from consequences of performing their duties (leading to the unfortunate example "They can blow the side off your house if they have reason to believe it will help them catch a suspect and the recompense is that your insurance might cover that damage.")
- gruez 10mo ago>Since police are part of the law, when they don't hold their own accountable, there's no recourse. And that's a real problem. I don't see how this is a relevant factor for the two cases I mentioned. Sure, it's bad that are part of the justice system, and therefore you can't use the justice system to correct their misbehavior, but you're not going to involve the justice system for incompetent teachers, or not enough doctors being admitted. For all intents and purposes the dynamic is the same.
- shadowgovt 10mo ago> incompetent teachers I'm not really talking about incompetence, and incomptenece isn't the largest issue in the category of "things that make people say ACAB." https://www.wtrf.com/top-stories/teacher-charged-with-sex-crimes-against-2-minors-in-pennsylvania/ https://www.wtrf.com/top-stories/teacher-charged-with-sex-cr... I am not at all joking when I make the claim that police committing sex crimes is a problem that is frequently swept under the rug by both police internal affairs and the judicial system. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/08/daniel-holtzclaw-lawsuit-sexual-assault-complaint-police-cover-up https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/08/daniel-holtz...
- thatcat 10mo agoTeachers and doctors may abuse their authority, but there is a sharp legal limit to what they can get away with.
- mrwrong 10mo agoyou are definitely going to start involving the justice system if teachers and doctors start physically abusing people, illegally detaining them and killing them!
- roywiggins 10mo agothat is unfortunately less true that you might think for some students: https://www.propublica.org/article/garrison-school-illinois-autistic-student-dragged-ankle https://www.propublica.org/article/garrison-school-illinois-... https://www.propublica.org/article/shrub-oak-school-autism-new-york-education-oversight https://www.propublica.org/article/shrub-oak-school-autism-n... https://autisticadvocacy.org/actioncenter/issues/school/climate/jrc/ https://autisticadvocacy.org/actioncenter/issues/school/clim... https://www.the74million.org/article/trump-officials-autism-schools-secluded-and-restrained-students-at-high-rates https://www.the74million.org/article/trump-officials-autism-... "Selected Cases of Death and Abuse at Public and Private Schools and Treatment Centers" https://www.gao.gov/assets/gao-09-719t.pdf https://www.gao.gov/assets/gao-09-719t.pdf > Death ruled a homicide but grand jury did not indict teacher. Teacher currently teaches in Virginia https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/area-special-ed-teacher-suspended-after-texas-death-revealed/1875627/ https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/area-special-ed-tea...