3 ms·

> Participants will work on high-impact technology initiatives including AI implementation, application development, data modernization, and digital service del

> Participants will work on high-impact technology initiatives including AI implementation, application development, data modernization, and digital service delivery across federal agencies. > The initial roster of private sector partners includes Adobe, Amazon Web Services, AMD, Anduril, Apple, Box, C3.ai, Coinbase, Databricks, Dell Technologies, Docusign, Google Public Sector, IBM, Meta, Microsoft, Nvidia, OpenAI, Oracle, Palantir, Salesforce, SAP, ServiceNow, Snowflake, Robinhood, Uber, Workday, xAI, and Zoom. This list will expand over time. Ever wanted to get involved in government-sanctioned espionage technology? This seems like an recruitment effort for that. Applicants beware. Remember that in just 3 years this will stop helping you to get hired, and will probably look like a blemish on your CV when you eventually need to get a new job.

orochimaaru 11mo ago
Bullshit. There is no company in the US that refuses to hire defense contractor employees, ex military or anyone who has worked in defense earlier. Edit: this seems like the usds with private sector participation. I know “doge” is basically just usds.
- vineyardmike 11mo ago
  There’s no company with a policy to refuse, but there are plenty of individual hiring managers and interviewers with personal opinions or bias.
transcriptase 11mo ago
Right… because those definitely don’t already assist three-letter agencies and the presence of the largest tech companies on the planet on your CV will definitely somehow become a net negative because uh, orange man bad? I assume that’s what the 3 year window is about?
tptacek 11mo ago
This is a thing you can only say if you know very little about the talent pipeline for actual espionage technology in the USG, which: they do not have a lot of problems there. Lots of people don't share your precise values about espionage or about espionage technology, and the real jobs in this field are extremely high-status. There's competition to get them.
- embedding-shape 11mo ago
  > This is a thing you can only say if you know very little about the talent pipeline for actual espionage technology in the USG Or something one might want to say if they want to still have plausible deniability about not having been there, yet still want to say something. Who knows.
  - tptacek 11mo ago
    The USG does not want plausible deniability about this. They actively recruit on elite engineering campuses over it. It is super fucking interesting work and candidates compete for the opportunity to do it. If you think otherwise, you're in a filter bubble.
    - embedding-shape 11mo ago
      I'm not talking about the USG... Yes yes, it's great work and no drawbacks, particularly not considering the moral and ethical implications. But please do continue try to help them recruit while purposefully misunderstand what I write.
      - tptacek 11mo ago
        They do not need my help recruiting and the fact that you think an HN thread has any impact whatsoever on elite CS talent matriculating into CNE programs is further evidence you may be in a filter bubble. Not understanding this can't possibly help your cause.
    - ecshafer 11mo ago
      There is this consistent myth by the most radical faction of people in the country. They are only the most radical 5 or 10%, but they seem to believe their anti-nationalist, anti-government, anti-American views are much more widely share than they are. The vast majority of American's view working in the defense industry, espionage, etc as a good thing.
      - 11mo ago
purple_ferret 11mo ago
A lot of these places already have massive government contracts with their own management structures. So the plan is to also make some of them federal employees, ostensibly helping to oversee those contracts? Seems like a conflict of interest...
curtisblaine 11mo ago
> and will probably look like a blemish on your CV when you eventually need to get a new job. Not necessarily, especially in the private sector. It's hard to justify not hiring an excellent employee because he or she worked for a company you don't like. Especially if the hiring panel is composed by >1 person.
ActorNightly 11mo ago
>Remember that in just 3 years this will stop helping you to get hired, and will probably look like a blemish on your CV when you eventually need to get a new job. The worst part about this entire political is that Dems are most likely gonna win, and everyone will just move on. Im really hoping that Trump lives long enough to actually stage a coup and tank the US economy so hard that things like working for this or DOGE actually do start to matter.

orochimaaru 11mo ago

Bullshit. There is no company in the US that refuses to hire defense contractor employees, ex military or anyone who has worked in defense earlier. Edit: this seems like the usds with private sector participation. I know “doge” is basically just usds.

vineyardmike 11mo ago
There’s no company with a policy to refuse, but there are plenty of individual hiring managers and interviewers with personal opinions or bias.

transcriptase 11mo ago

Right… because those definitely don’t already assist three-letter agencies and the presence of the largest tech companies on the planet on your CV will definitely somehow become a net negative because uh, orange man bad? I assume that’s what the 3 year window is about?

tptacek 11mo ago

This is a thing you can only say if you know very little about the talent pipeline for actual espionage technology in the USG, which: they do not have a lot of problems there. Lots of people don't share your precise values about espionage or about espionage technology, and the real jobs in this field are extremely high-status. There's competition to get them.

embedding-shape 11mo ago
> This is a thing you can only say if you know very little about the talent pipeline for actual espionage technology in the USG Or something one might want to say if they want to still have plausible deniability about not having been there, yet still want to say something. Who knows.
- tptacek 11mo ago
  The USG does not want plausible deniability about this. They actively recruit on elite engineering campuses over it. It is super fucking interesting work and candidates compete for the opportunity to do it. If you think otherwise, you're in a filter bubble.
  - embedding-shape 11mo ago
    I'm not talking about the USG... Yes yes, it's great work and no drawbacks, particularly not considering the moral and ethical implications. But please do continue try to help them recruit while purposefully misunderstand what I write.
    - tptacek 11mo ago
      They do not need my help recruiting and the fact that you think an HN thread has any impact whatsoever on elite CS talent matriculating into CNE programs is further evidence you may be in a filter bubble. Not understanding this can't possibly help your cause.
  - ecshafer 11mo ago
    There is this consistent myth by the most radical faction of people in the country. They are only the most radical 5 or 10%, but they seem to believe their anti-nationalist, anti-government, anti-American views are much more widely share than they are. The vast majority of American's view working in the defense industry, espionage, etc as a good thing.
    - 11mo ago

purple_ferret 11mo ago

A lot of these places already have massive government contracts with their own management structures. So the plan is to also make some of them federal employees, ostensibly helping to oversee those contracts? Seems like a conflict of interest...

curtisblaine 11mo ago

> and will probably look like a blemish on your CV when you eventually need to get a new job. Not necessarily, especially in the private sector. It's hard to justify not hiring an excellent employee because he or she worked for a company you don't like. Especially if the hiring panel is composed by >1 person.

ActorNightly 11mo ago

>Remember that in just 3 years this will stop helping you to get hired, and will probably look like a blemish on your CV when you eventually need to get a new job. The worst part about this entire political is that Dems are most likely gonna win, and everyone will just move on. Im really hoping that Trump lives long enough to actually stage a coup and tank the US economy so hard that things like working for this or DOGE actually do start to matter.