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If someone had this experience I’d encourage them to look into how police departments across the US consistently fight against any accountability for the cops w
by drewbeck 10mo ago
If someone had this experience I’d encourage them to look into how police departments across the US consistently fight against any accountability for the cops who perpetuate those relatively few awful encounters. “Most interactions are harmless therefore the negativity is overblown and cops are trustworthy” is one takeaway if you stop your research at the right point. “if you have a bad experience with a cop the entire department will turn against you; they are not to be trusted” is a more accurate takeaway.
As you say, stats very often obfuscate.
- gruez 10mo agoIf we apply your logic, would you say it's fair to go around and say "all teachers are bastards", when referring to teacher unions that make it hard to fire incompetent teachers? Or maybe "all doctors are bastards" when referencing how the american medical association (the trade association for doctors) makes it hard for more doctors to be admitted?
- adrianN 10mo agoMisanthropy is the logical conclusion /s
- shadowgovt 10mo agoSure, but one key difference is that if either of those groups steps outside the law, you can recourse to the law to check them. Since police are part of the law, when they don't hold their own accountable, there's no recourse. And that's a real problem. This is before one even starts unpacking the knapsack of how much law is designed to protect the police from consequences of performing their duties (leading to the unfortunate example "They can blow the side off your house if they have reason to believe it will help them catch a suspect and the recompense is that your insurance might cover that damage.")
- gruez 10mo ago>Since police are part of the law, when they don't hold their own accountable, there's no recourse. And that's a real problem. I don't see how this is a relevant factor for the two cases I mentioned. Sure, it's bad that are part of the justice system, and therefore you can't use the justice system to correct their misbehavior, but you're not going to involve the justice system for incompetent teachers, or not enough doctors being admitted. For all intents and purposes the dynamic is the same.
- shadowgovt 10mo ago> incompetent teachers I'm not really talking about incompetence, and incomptenece isn't the largest issue in the category of "things that make people say ACAB." https://www.wtrf.com/top-stories/teacher-charged-with-sex-crimes-against-2-minors-in-pennsylvania/ https://www.wtrf.com/top-stories/teacher-charged-with-sex-cr... I am not at all joking when I make the claim that police committing sex crimes is a problem that is frequently swept under the rug by both police internal affairs and the judicial system. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/08/daniel-holtzclaw-lawsuit-sexual-assault-complaint-police-cover-up https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/08/daniel-holtz...
- thatcat 10mo agoTeachers and doctors may abuse their authority, but there is a sharp legal limit to what they can get away with.
- mrwrong 10mo ago
- alexashka 10mo agoYes. It's not the root however. The root is nepotism. What you're describing is one of ten thousand problems nepotism causes.
- vel0city 10mo agoHow many teachers are getting off on murder charges due to their position as a teacher? Seems like a pretty big difference.
- febusravenga 10mo agoThey only murder talents and/or curiosity in children or self esteem. (I'm totally not ATAB here, just agree that parent post analogy)
- collingreen 10mo agoUsing murder in this context to minimize -actually murder- is pretty bad taste.
- IAmBroom 10mo agoWords matter. Your rebuttal doesn't.