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She should be, honestly. To me as an American, China has a better reputation than Amazon. Of those two choices, I'm happier with this outcome than giving even m

by coldpie 10mo ago

She should be, honestly. To me as an American, China has a better reputation than Amazon. Of those two choices, I'm happier with this outcome than giving even more stuff to Amazon.

qwerpy 10mo ago
As an American with a strong personal interest (kids) in keeping the country strong and competitive in the future, it seems bizarre to cheer for our largest adversary to gain advantages over us.
- coldpie 10mo ago
  I also would have preferred to keep it in the country, but the fact is that Amazon does more harm and is a larger threat to Americans and your children than China is. Hence "Of those two choices... I pick China." I would love for there to have been more than those two options, but this is where we ended up after decades of not enforcing anti-trust law, thanks in no small part to Amazon.
  - rjp0008 10mo ago
    I would definitely argue the opposite, that China is the larger threat. They want control of Taiwan and are building way more capable hardware than Russia has.
    - coldpie 10mo ago
      Sounds bad man. Meanwhile, Amazon and its executives are union-busting to keep worker rights minimal, running a nation-wide law enforcement surveillance network, supporting Republican politicians and all of their anti-American policies and practices, lobbying to oppose anti-trust enforcement to keep hold of their illegal market positions and keep our economy weak, and they own one of the nation's largest newspapers specifically so they can control the narrative over their own actions. And that's all happening right here, in the US, influencing our laws and our media, right now today, not in some theoretical future. So yeah in terms of entities that are actually doing real harm to Americans, Amazon beats China no question.
    - margalabargala 10mo ago
      There are threats from without and threats from within. China isn't going to physically invade the US. They want to take our place as the world's cultural leader and relegate the US to approximately the current state of the UK. Companies like Amazon want to increase the wealth of the owners at any cost including domestic political capture. They would see the country being run by oligarchs like Russia. Would you rather live in the UK or Russia?
  - GenerWork 10mo ago
    >Amazon does more harm and is a larger threat to Americans and your children than China is Yeah, I'm going to need some examples as to how Amazon is worse than China.
    - coldpie 10mo ago
      See downthread comment[1], and please keep in mind the context of this conversation is specifically, "Amazon does more harm and is a larger threat to Americans than China is". [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46277647 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46277647
      - stogot 10mo ago
        Chinese doctrine explicitly has labeled America as the enemy for 10-20 years, with a goal of taking a democracy by force (after crushing dissent in HK and taking it over earlier than promised), and steals the West’s IP, and manipulates American businesses, and is actively committing a genocide for the past decade.
        coldpie 10mo ago
        That's all pretty hand wavey and abstract, not very convincing (for example, I'm pretty sure China is not committing a genocide in the US, and Western IP law is arguably not worth much respect anyway). I'm not saying China is without problems, I'm just saying they're less harmful to Americans than Amazon is.
        stogot 10mo ago
        You’re claiming that documented and active IP theft and anti-democracy and enemy-action doctrine is handwavy and better than a tax paying business that supports democracy and that is not trying to undermine the west? You’re wrong
        coldpie 10mo ago
- jm4 10mo ago
  To be fair, shopping at Amazon is nearly the same as shopping at some Chinese company. They bring in Chinese products by the boatload, warehouse them here and offer 2 day shipping. That's virtually their entire retail business and value proposition. It's a slightly curated selection, easy ordering and fast shipping. You can buy all the same stuff for less at Ali Express if you don't mind waiting 3 weeks. I don't mean to make light of what Amazon actually does. Their logistics are incredible. But, really, that's what they are. A logistics company. Your money still goes to China and you pay more so an American company can get their cut too.
  - nickff 10mo ago
    >"To be fair, shopping at Amazon is nearly the same as shopping at some Chinese company." Have you actually used AliExpress? I use both Amazon and AE, and the former definitely offers a lower-deceit, easier to use, and better customer experience. Amazon powers most of the web, whereas AE regularly has massive bugs (I was completely unable to sign in for over a month due to a UI bug last year).
rockemsockem 10mo ago
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joenot443 10mo ago
That's interesting. To me as a Canadian, I think Amazon is more aligned with my best interests than China. What makes you feel otherwise?
- coldpie 10mo ago
  See other comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46277647 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46277647

by coldpie 10mo ago

She should be, honestly. To me as an American, China has a better reputation than Amazon. Of those two choices, I'm happier with this outcome than giving even more stuff to Amazon.

qwerpy 10mo ago

As an American with a strong personal interest (kids) in keeping the country strong and competitive in the future, it seems bizarre to cheer for our largest adversary to gain advantages over us.

coldpie 10mo ago
I also would have preferred to keep it in the country, but the fact is that Amazon does more harm and is a larger threat to Americans and your children than China is. Hence "Of those two choices... I pick China." I would love for there to have been more than those two options, but this is where we ended up after decades of not enforcing anti-trust law, thanks in no small part to Amazon.
- rjp0008 10mo ago
  I would definitely argue the opposite, that China is the larger threat. They want control of Taiwan and are building way more capable hardware than Russia has.
  - coldpie 10mo ago
    Sounds bad man. Meanwhile, Amazon and its executives are union-busting to keep worker rights minimal, running a nation-wide law enforcement surveillance network, supporting Republican politicians and all of their anti-American policies and practices, lobbying to oppose anti-trust enforcement to keep hold of their illegal market positions and keep our economy weak, and they own one of the nation's largest newspapers specifically so they can control the narrative over their own actions. And that's all happening right here, in the US, influencing our laws and our media, right now today, not in some theoretical future. So yeah in terms of entities that are actually doing real harm to Americans, Amazon beats China no question.
  - margalabargala 10mo ago
    There are threats from without and threats from within. China isn't going to physically invade the US. They want to take our place as the world's cultural leader and relegate the US to approximately the current state of the UK. Companies like Amazon want to increase the wealth of the owners at any cost including domestic political capture. They would see the country being run by oligarchs like Russia. Would you rather live in the UK or Russia?
- GenerWork 10mo ago
  >Amazon does more harm and is a larger threat to Americans and your children than China is Yeah, I'm going to need some examples as to how Amazon is worse than China.
  - coldpie 10mo ago
    See downthread comment[1], and please keep in mind the context of this conversation is specifically, "Amazon does more harm and is a larger threat to Americans than China is". [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46277647 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46277647
    - stogot 10mo ago
      Chinese doctrine explicitly has labeled America as the enemy for 10-20 years, with a goal of taking a democracy by force (after crushing dissent in HK and taking it over earlier than promised), and steals the West’s IP, and manipulates American businesses, and is actively committing a genocide for the past decade.
      - coldpie 10mo ago
        That's all pretty hand wavey and abstract, not very convincing (for example, I'm pretty sure China is not committing a genocide in the US, and Western IP law is arguably not worth much respect anyway). I'm not saying China is without problems, I'm just saying they're less harmful to Americans than Amazon is.
        stogot 10mo ago
        You’re claiming that documented and active IP theft and anti-democracy and enemy-action doctrine is handwavy and better than a tax paying business that supports democracy and that is not trying to undermine the west? You’re wrong
        coldpie 10mo ago
jm4 10mo ago
To be fair, shopping at Amazon is nearly the same as shopping at some Chinese company. They bring in Chinese products by the boatload, warehouse them here and offer 2 day shipping. That's virtually their entire retail business and value proposition. It's a slightly curated selection, easy ordering and fast shipping. You can buy all the same stuff for less at Ali Express if you don't mind waiting 3 weeks. I don't mean to make light of what Amazon actually does. Their logistics are incredible. But, really, that's what they are. A logistics company. Your money still goes to China and you pay more so an American company can get their cut too.
- nickff 10mo ago
  >"To be fair, shopping at Amazon is nearly the same as shopping at some Chinese company." Have you actually used AliExpress? I use both Amazon and AE, and the former definitely offers a lower-deceit, easier to use, and better customer experience. Amazon powers most of the web, whereas AE regularly has massive bugs (I was completely unable to sign in for over a month due to a UI bug last year).

rockemsockem 10mo ago

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joenot443 10mo ago

That's interesting. To me as a Canadian, I think Amazon is more aligned with my best interests than China. What makes you feel otherwise?

coldpie 10mo ago
See other comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46277647 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46277647