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Journalism has always been hated by those in power and by proxy their followers. It's arguable thats a sign that they're doing a good job. Few profession I ha

Journalism has always been hated by those in power and by proxy their followers. It's arguable thats a sign that they're doing a good job. Few profession I have more respect for than journalists and police. Most of them are trying to fight evil and make society better and are disliked for it. They are a gritty grizzled bunch.

indoordin0saur 10mo ago
Sometimes journalists (or "journalists") are the ones in power or they are controlled by those in power
- hiccuphippo 10mo ago
  I'd argue once it is controlled by those in power it stops being called journalism and becomes propaganda.
  - indoordin0saur 10mo ago
    Who makes the distinction? If I'm not sure if something should be categorized as propaganda or journalism who do I ask?
- consumer451 10mo ago
  I have a hard time thinking of any such example. Certainly their editors and the publisher/owner, but journalists themselves?
  - ltbarcly3 10mo ago
    The Soviet Union? China right now? If you own the owners of media, you own all the journalists by virtue of the fact that to be a journalist requires someone to get a job as a journalist. In a place like the US you might have a handful of top people freelance and still be able to eat, but that is very rare.
    - consumer451 10mo ago
      But then should you be blaming the journalists? Also, is it even journalism at that point? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journalism
      - ltbarcly3 10mo ago
        Oh I don't blame the journalists, I was just helping you think of examples.
    - indoordin0saur 10mo ago
      You don't even need to go overseas. Just look at the NY Times and why they got the Iraq war so wrong or for even more egregious examples go and look at our wars before that. The fact that many of the high level positions on the news desk at the Times are filled by former employees of the US State department or intelligence agencies might give you a hint.
e40 10mo ago
> Few profession I have more respect for than journalists and police. I’m with you on journalists, but the police have so many bad apples that I think the profession itself attracts the wrong kind of people.

indoordin0saur 10mo ago

Sometimes journalists (or "journalists") are the ones in power or they are controlled by those in power

hiccuphippo 10mo ago
I'd argue once it is controlled by those in power it stops being called journalism and becomes propaganda.
- indoordin0saur 10mo ago
  Who makes the distinction? If I'm not sure if something should be categorized as propaganda or journalism who do I ask?
consumer451 10mo ago
I have a hard time thinking of any such example. Certainly their editors and the publisher/owner, but journalists themselves?
- ltbarcly3 10mo ago
  The Soviet Union? China right now? If you own the owners of media, you own all the journalists by virtue of the fact that to be a journalist requires someone to get a job as a journalist. In a place like the US you might have a handful of top people freelance and still be able to eat, but that is very rare.
  - consumer451 10mo ago
    But then should you be blaming the journalists? Also, is it even journalism at that point? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journalism
    - ltbarcly3 10mo ago
      Oh I don't blame the journalists, I was just helping you think of examples.
  - indoordin0saur 10mo ago
    You don't even need to go overseas. Just look at the NY Times and why they got the Iraq war so wrong or for even more egregious examples go and look at our wars before that. The fact that many of the high level positions on the news desk at the Times are filled by former employees of the US State department or intelligence agencies might give you a hint.

e40 10mo ago

> Few profession I have more respect for than journalists and police. I’m with you on journalists, but the police have so many bad apples that I think the profession itself attracts the wrong kind of people.