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Kids are definitely not stupid. They just are more malleable to picking up the current trendy group-think pushed onto them by the media and education systems, w

Kids are definitely not stupid. They just are more malleable to picking up the current trendy group-think pushed onto them by the media and education systems, while they just haven't dealt with taxes, labor, housing markets, debt and crushing CoL to bring them to reality yet.

croon 10mo ago
I'm curious what "reality" would deliver them in terms of clarity/truth/policy leanings, and how it differs from whatever they're pushed currently. If I've learned anything from my 40+ years on this earth it's that there are no guarantees that adults/grownups are more reality-based than late teens, but they are usually more convinced they are.
- meheleventyone 10mo ago
  > If I've learned anything from my 40+ years on this earth it's that there are no guarantees that adults/grownups are more reality-based than late teens, but they are usually more convinced they are. Yes exactly, we're just seeing the usual tired tropes making the rounds to dismiss this rather than trying to engage with the ideas.
  - jack_tripper 10mo ago
    What is the trope being dismissed and what is the idea you feel isn't discussed?
    - croon 10mo ago
      The trope is youth being uninformed, and it's not the trope being dismissed, but their viewpoints as if they're less valid, but rarely discussed on merit. And as for specific ideas, the root level parent simply stated > The kids are idiots. which I feel captures the trope perfectly. You then half refuted it, but later restated it not as an intelligence issue but an experience one, which is where I was curious what the basis for the assertion was.
      - jack_tripper 10mo ago
        >The trope is youth being uninformed OK but what evidence is there of the youth being more informed than tax paying adults? You called it a trope but you haven't rebuted it. Personally, I am now smarter than I was 10 years ago, and 10 years ago I was smarter than20 years ago. I am yet to meet someone who would admit they were smarter as a teenager than they are now.
        croon 10mo ago
        1) I never claimed that the youth are more informed than (tax paying?) adults. 2) A trope is a trope regardless if it happens to be true or false. What I was trying to convey is that you shouldn't dismiss a group on any basis other than the merit of a claim (usually by a member of a group and not representative of the entire group), which both assertions failed. 3) What should I rebut? One claim that the youth are idiots and one claim that they are uninformed because they have paid less tax yet? Ok, neither are logical conclusions to any premise. 4) You may be representative or you may be an outlier. > I am yet to meet someone who would admit they were smarter as a teenager than they are This is not a good basis to draw any conclusions from. Also it contradicts your initial assertion of your OP?
- jack_tripper 10mo ago
  >If I've learned anything from my 40+ years on this earth it's that there are no guarantees that adults/grownups are more reality-based than late teens You don't think that adult taxpayers with full time careers and mortgages have a higher chance at a better understanding of the state of play, than kids who can't spell their name without asking CHatGPT?
  - saubeidl 10mo ago
    People more bought into the status quo are less likely to be neutral observers.
  - Timon3 10mo ago
    "It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it."

croon 10mo ago

I'm curious what "reality" would deliver them in terms of clarity/truth/policy leanings, and how it differs from whatever they're pushed currently. If I've learned anything from my 40+ years on this earth it's that there are no guarantees that adults/grownups are more reality-based than late teens, but they are usually more convinced they are.

meheleventyone 10mo ago
> If I've learned anything from my 40+ years on this earth it's that there are no guarantees that adults/grownups are more reality-based than late teens, but they are usually more convinced they are. Yes exactly, we're just seeing the usual tired tropes making the rounds to dismiss this rather than trying to engage with the ideas.
- jack_tripper 10mo ago
  What is the trope being dismissed and what is the idea you feel isn't discussed?
  - croon 10mo ago
    The trope is youth being uninformed, and it's not the trope being dismissed, but their viewpoints as if they're less valid, but rarely discussed on merit. And as for specific ideas, the root level parent simply stated > The kids are idiots. which I feel captures the trope perfectly. You then half refuted it, but later restated it not as an intelligence issue but an experience one, which is where I was curious what the basis for the assertion was.
    - jack_tripper 10mo ago
      >The trope is youth being uninformed OK but what evidence is there of the youth being more informed than tax paying adults? You called it a trope but you haven't rebuted it. Personally, I am now smarter than I was 10 years ago, and 10 years ago I was smarter than20 years ago. I am yet to meet someone who would admit they were smarter as a teenager than they are now.
      - croon 10mo ago
        1) I never claimed that the youth are more informed than (tax paying?) adults. 2) A trope is a trope regardless if it happens to be true or false. What I was trying to convey is that you shouldn't dismiss a group on any basis other than the merit of a claim (usually by a member of a group and not representative of the entire group), which both assertions failed. 3) What should I rebut? One claim that the youth are idiots and one claim that they are uninformed because they have paid less tax yet? Ok, neither are logical conclusions to any premise. 4) You may be representative or you may be an outlier. > I am yet to meet someone who would admit they were smarter as a teenager than they are This is not a good basis to draw any conclusions from. Also it contradicts your initial assertion of your OP?
jack_tripper 10mo ago
>If I've learned anything from my 40+ years on this earth it's that there are no guarantees that adults/grownups are more reality-based than late teens You don't think that adult taxpayers with full time careers and mortgages have a higher chance at a better understanding of the state of play, than kids who can't spell their name without asking CHatGPT?
- saubeidl 10mo ago
  People more bought into the status quo are less likely to be neutral observers.
- Timon3 10mo ago
  "It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it."