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> Severe mental illness (schizophrenia, bipolar) is neurodevelopmental in origin This is a theory, not fact. There are proponents from the medical community th

by rendx 10mo ago

> Severe mental illness (schizophrenia, bipolar) is neurodevelopmental in origin This is a theory, not fact. There are proponents from the medical community that argue otherwise. Professor Jim van Os at Maastricht University Medical Centre: 'Schizophrenia' does not exist https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/02/160203090208.htm https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/02/160203090208.h... Robin M. Murray, Department of Psychosis Studies, Institute of Psychiatry, Psychology and Neuroscience: "In the last 2 decades, it has become obvious that child abuse, urbanization, migration, and adverse life events contribute to the etiology of schizophrenia and other psychoses. […] I expect to see the end of the concept of schizophrenia soon." https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5605250/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5605250/ The Role of Childhood Trauma in Psychosis and Schizophrenia: A Systematic Review: "There is a correlation between histories of child maltreatment with several structural changes in the brain." https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8858420/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8858420/

mapontosevenths 10mo ago
I thought it's been known for decades that schizophrenia involved both a genetic predisposition and a stressor that caused it to manifest. Has that understanding changed? Even before epigenetics (in the modern sense) or environmentally induced gene expression was talked about that's what my school textbooks said.
- rendx 10mo ago
  > Has that understanding changed? All you can measure is correlation. The rest are theories, and always have been. "Heritability" is a misnomer, since research into genetics relies on twin studies, so it is impossible to delineate what is 'inherited' from influences during prenatal development. Since technology to "look into the womb" has vastly improved in the past decades, there is more and more research into prenatal effects, which shifts the potential narrative (working theory!) from "it's in the genes" to "it is prenatal trauma due to adverse environmental circumstances". We don't really know if there ever was or is a "genetic predisposition". Remember, in contrast to "diagnoses" in medicine, psychological classifications such as "schizophrenia" do not describe etiology or biology, they merely describe observable symptoms, with a lot of overlap and redefinitions in between the different categories. More and more voices in the psychotherapeutic community argue that these classifications do more harm than good and should be replaced by a multidimensional system. At least in Europe, my understanding is that they serve mostly health insurance billing purposes, not patient-oriented treatment purposes. The danger in the "genetic predisposition" line of arguments is that it may sound like something that cannot be "healed", only managed, which we know now thanks to epigenetic research and [brain] plasticity is not the case. Modern therapies can achieve more than merely manage symptoms, and what was previously believed to be "untreatable" is now known to be fixable. Which, as an aside, is one of the reasons why "narcisstic personality disorder" has been dropped, so "it doesn't exist any more".

by rendx 10mo ago

mapontosevenths 10mo ago

I thought it's been known for decades that schizophrenia involved both a genetic predisposition and a stressor that caused it to manifest. Has that understanding changed? Even before epigenetics (in the modern sense) or environmentally induced gene expression was talked about that's what my school textbooks said.

rendx 10mo ago
> Has that understanding changed? All you can measure is correlation. The rest are theories, and always have been. "Heritability" is a misnomer, since research into genetics relies on twin studies, so it is impossible to delineate what is 'inherited' from influences during prenatal development. Since technology to "look into the womb" has vastly improved in the past decades, there is more and more research into prenatal effects, which shifts the potential narrative (working theory!) from "it's in the genes" to "it is prenatal trauma due to adverse environmental circumstances". We don't really know if there ever was or is a "genetic predisposition". Remember, in contrast to "diagnoses" in medicine, psychological classifications such as "schizophrenia" do not describe etiology or biology, they merely describe observable symptoms, with a lot of overlap and redefinitions in between the different categories. More and more voices in the psychotherapeutic community argue that these classifications do more harm than good and should be replaced by a multidimensional system. At least in Europe, my understanding is that they serve mostly health insurance billing purposes, not patient-oriented treatment purposes. The danger in the "genetic predisposition" line of arguments is that it may sound like something that cannot be "healed", only managed, which we know now thanks to epigenetic research and [brain] plasticity is not the case. Modern therapies can achieve more than merely manage symptoms, and what was previously believed to be "untreatable" is now known to be fixable. Which, as an aside, is one of the reasons why "narcisstic personality disorder" has been dropped, so "it doesn't exist any more".