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> I don't think that's true. Then I'm gonna bet that you never worked at Bell Labs. > I think doing great work in the major problems in your field of choice a

> I don't think that's true. Then I'm gonna bet that you never worked at Bell Labs. > I think doing great work in the major problems in your field of choice are the exact heights that entrepreneurialism should strive for. The time scale is vastly different. Entrepreneurs are not interested in starting programs that will yield results only after 10-20 years, and VCs have an even shorter attention span. Hell, funding events (which require showing progress) every two years are considered successful in the startup culture.

jboy 14y ago
> Entrepreneurs are not interested in starting programs that will yield results only after 10-20 years What about the SpaceX's of the world? Founded in 2002; docked with the ISS in 2012.
- jpdoctor 14y ago
  > What about the SpaceX's of the world? The folks Hamming mentioned did things and discovered things that had never been done before. SpaceX docking with the ISS? You know that has already been proven out; so not exactly fertile new ground to win a Nobel Prize with.
  - jboy 14y ago
    I doubt that docking with the ISS is the end-goal of SpaceX. Musk talks about missions to Mars, and even helping to establish a human presence there. The latter certainly hasn't been done before. My point was that, even at the 10-year mark, SpaceX is still working towards its goal -- a goal that may very well not yield its results until after the 20-year mark. While I appreciate that Musk stands out partly as an exception to the rule, I think it's nevertheless reasonable to concede that not all entrepreneurs are focussed on 2-year goals.
shardling 14y ago
You're conflating all entrepeneurs with a very specific subset you're probably more familiar with.
- jpdoctor 14y ago
  > You're conflating all entrepeneurs with a very specific subset you're probably more familiar with. Great! The string of Nobel Prizes from entrepreneurs will be a breath of fresh air. Do you think it will happen first in Physics, Chemistry or Medicine?
  - vitovito 14y ago
    Hamming's essay isn't about winning Nobel prizes. Hamming's essay isn't about inventing something no-one's come up with before. Hamming's essay is about doing great work, solving important problems, and having significance. He provides explicit definitions for what those things are in the essay, as I did in my response. As such, none of your flippant retorts make sense within the context of either the essay or my initial response to you. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
    - jpdoctor 14y ago
      > Hamming's essay isn't about inventing something no-one's come up with before. Really? I wonder why the title is "You and your research"? You think he is talking about inventing things that someone has come up with before? Let's look at wiki for research: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Research http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Research Research and experimental development is formal work undertaken systematically to increase the stock of knowledge, including knowledge of humanity, culture and society, and the use of this stock of knowledge to devise new applications > Hamming's essay is about doing great work, solving important problems, and having significance. No, that is your essay.
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      - jwco 14y ago
        Hamming makes clear his remarks are about how to do "significant things," and he is using science as a microcosm to describe what that is, only because it is the microcosm he is most familiar with. See here: "Why shouldn't you do significant things in this one life, however you define significant? I'm not going to define it - you know what I mean. I will talk mainly about science because that is what I have studied. But so far as I know, and I've been told by others, much of what I say applies to many fields. Outstanding work is characterized very much the same way in most fields, but I will confine myself to science."

jboy 14y ago

> Entrepreneurs are not interested in starting programs that will yield results only after 10-20 years What about the SpaceX's of the world? Founded in 2002; docked with the ISS in 2012.

jpdoctor 14y ago
> What about the SpaceX's of the world? The folks Hamming mentioned did things and discovered things that had never been done before. SpaceX docking with the ISS? You know that has already been proven out; so not exactly fertile new ground to win a Nobel Prize with.
- jboy 14y ago
  I doubt that docking with the ISS is the end-goal of SpaceX. Musk talks about missions to Mars, and even helping to establish a human presence there. The latter certainly hasn't been done before. My point was that, even at the 10-year mark, SpaceX is still working towards its goal -- a goal that may very well not yield its results until after the 20-year mark. While I appreciate that Musk stands out partly as an exception to the rule, I think it's nevertheless reasonable to concede that not all entrepreneurs are focussed on 2-year goals.

shardling 14y ago

You're conflating all entrepeneurs with a very specific subset you're probably more familiar with.

jpdoctor 14y ago
> You're conflating all entrepeneurs with a very specific subset you're probably more familiar with. Great! The string of Nobel Prizes from entrepreneurs will be a breath of fresh air. Do you think it will happen first in Physics, Chemistry or Medicine?
- vitovito 14y ago
  Hamming's essay isn't about winning Nobel prizes. Hamming's essay isn't about inventing something no-one's come up with before. Hamming's essay is about doing great work, solving important problems, and having significance. He provides explicit definitions for what those things are in the essay, as I did in my response. As such, none of your flippant retorts make sense within the context of either the essay or my initial response to you. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
  - jpdoctor 14y ago
    > Hamming's essay isn't about inventing something no-one's come up with before. Really? I wonder why the title is "You and your research"? You think he is talking about inventing things that someone has come up with before? Let's look at wiki for research: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Research http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Research Research and experimental development is formal work undertaken systematically to increase the stock of knowledge, including knowledge of humanity, culture and society, and the use of this stock of knowledge to devise new applications > Hamming's essay is about doing great work, solving important problems, and having significance. No, that is your essay.
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    - jwco 14y ago
      Hamming makes clear his remarks are about how to do "significant things," and he is using science as a microcosm to describe what that is, only because it is the microcosm he is most familiar with. See here: "Why shouldn't you do significant things in this one life, however you define significant? I'm not going to define it - you know what I mean. I will talk mainly about science because that is what I have studied. But so far as I know, and I've been told by others, much of what I say applies to many fields. Outstanding work is characterized very much the same way in most fields, but I will confine myself to science."