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They don’t care. The customer service era is over.

nerdponx 10mo ago
It doesn't matter if consumers don't like it if everyone does it. The only choice remaining then is to put up with it or not have a TV at all.
- hyperadvanced 10mo ago
  You can get a 10 or 20 or 30 year old TV. They still work.
  - goku12 10mo ago
    I see that we have already entered the post-apocalyptic scavenging stage?
    - saltcured 10mo ago
      I turns out hardly anybody pays enough attention to notice an apocalypse
    - hyperadvanced 10mo ago
      On the contrary, new stuff is cheap and abundant, it’s just optimized for price and quality at the expense of UX. 20 years ago setting up a new TV required plugging in wires and shit. Now it just means installing the walled garden OS, logging in, and handing over your data for collection. Based on the number of people who are OK with this, it’s hard to imagine it changing without people choosing something else.
      - nerdponx 10mo ago
        Different kind of apocalypse Actually if it was "just" cheap and junky that would probably be fine with a lot of people here. Yes shrinkinflation is a problem but technology doesn't seem to have that problem, prices genuinely do keep coming down. The problem is what companies add on top of the cheap junk in order to obtain an extra revenue stream while also still selling cheap junk. In fact I think I would rather take cheap dumb junk than high-quality but spying on me.
- binary132 10mo ago
  “Not have a TV at all” is a perfectly reasonable choice many people are making now.
  - nerdponx 10mo ago
    Sure, that works for TVs. Less so for things like refrigerators and cars. Getting fixated on one particular market obfuscates the big picture.
- drnick1 10mo ago
  You can buy a "smart TV" and keep it offline. Use it as a monitor for a PC running Linux, from which you stream from your browser or dedicated apps like VacuumTube (Youtube Leanback).
  - SunlitCat 10mo ago
    Sadly, you get sometimes forced that "smart stuff" if you want it or not. Had to order large tv sets at work, got LG ones. Working mostly fine as dumb displays (for some connected device, delivering the pictures and using HDMI ARC to switch on both at once) but here and there, users are put to the home menu of the LG TV if something fails and need to click through some icons to get to the HDMI input and if you dare to connect them online you get that "Update" notification, when an update is available (even when you disabled auto update).
  - goku12 10mo ago
    > You can buy a "smart TV" and keep it offline. For how long? Eventually, it will end up like Windows login. It won't work without an online account. In the meanwhile, they will soft corece you into adopting it by using passive aggression. They will slow down the bootup to a crawl, unless you connect it online. Those times are already really bad - CRT monitors used to heat up faster. The ultimate point is, if you have to make compromises to retain your rights, then you might as well have no rights at all. You're already well on your way there.
    - 1718627440 10mo ago
      At the same time TV companies are shifting to releasing video files on websites. You simply will only buy a larger monitor/projector and access the video with your computer.
- Lio 10mo ago
  It's a creepy tech cartel.

It doesn't matter if consumers don't like it if everyone does it. The only choice remaining then is to put up with it or not have a TV at all.

hyperadvanced 10mo ago
You can get a 10 or 20 or 30 year old TV. They still work.
- goku12 10mo ago
  I see that we have already entered the post-apocalyptic scavenging stage?
  - saltcured 10mo ago
    I turns out hardly anybody pays enough attention to notice an apocalypse
  - hyperadvanced 10mo ago
    On the contrary, new stuff is cheap and abundant, it’s just optimized for price and quality at the expense of UX. 20 years ago setting up a new TV required plugging in wires and shit. Now it just means installing the walled garden OS, logging in, and handing over your data for collection. Based on the number of people who are OK with this, it’s hard to imagine it changing without people choosing something else.
    - nerdponx 10mo ago
      Different kind of apocalypse Actually if it was "just" cheap and junky that would probably be fine with a lot of people here. Yes shrinkinflation is a problem but technology doesn't seem to have that problem, prices genuinely do keep coming down. The problem is what companies add on top of the cheap junk in order to obtain an extra revenue stream while also still selling cheap junk. In fact I think I would rather take cheap dumb junk than high-quality but spying on me.
binary132 10mo ago
“Not have a TV at all” is a perfectly reasonable choice many people are making now.
- nerdponx 10mo ago
  Sure, that works for TVs. Less so for things like refrigerators and cars. Getting fixated on one particular market obfuscates the big picture.
drnick1 10mo ago
You can buy a "smart TV" and keep it offline. Use it as a monitor for a PC running Linux, from which you stream from your browser or dedicated apps like VacuumTube (Youtube Leanback).
- SunlitCat 10mo ago
  Sadly, you get sometimes forced that "smart stuff" if you want it or not. Had to order large tv sets at work, got LG ones. Working mostly fine as dumb displays (for some connected device, delivering the pictures and using HDMI ARC to switch on both at once) but here and there, users are put to the home menu of the LG TV if something fails and need to click through some icons to get to the HDMI input and if you dare to connect them online you get that "Update" notification, when an update is available (even when you disabled auto update).
- goku12 10mo ago
  > You can buy a "smart TV" and keep it offline. For how long? Eventually, it will end up like Windows login. It won't work without an online account. In the meanwhile, they will soft corece you into adopting it by using passive aggression. They will slow down the bootup to a crawl, unless you connect it online. Those times are already really bad - CRT monitors used to heat up faster. The ultimate point is, if you have to make compromises to retain your rights, then you might as well have no rights at all. You're already well on your way there.
  - 1718627440 10mo ago
    At the same time TV companies are shifting to releasing video files on websites. You simply will only buy a larger monitor/projector and access the video with your computer.
Lio 10mo ago
It's a creepy tech cartel.