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I can see how it would be controversial but how is it absurd? Especially in a first world country like Israel where people aren’t shackled by their poverty.
by barbazoo 10mo ago
I can see how it would be controversial but how is it absurd?
Especially in a first world country like Israel where people aren’t shackled by their poverty.
- whimsicalism 10mo agoBlameworthy in a similar way to how Vietnam vets are blameworthy.
- barbazoo 10mo agoMaybe we should be thinking differently about those too then. Or maybe the environment is different where one generation should “know better”, having lived through another 50 years of human development and ubiquitous access to information.
- beedeebeedee 10mo agoI don’t think your comparison works because Israel does not have a comparable anti-war movement that the US had during the Vietnam War. In fact, if the media is to be believed, there has been enthusiasm on the part of Israelis to take part in the fighting.
- whimsicalism 10mo agoWouldn’t that only make vietnam vets more blameworthy? There was a whole movement against it and they still chose to not give up their home/family and choose exile even when it was less stigmatized to do so.
- beedeebeedee 10mo agoThat’s an interesting point, and if we follow that logic, we move the blame from the Israeli soldiers and place it in totality on Israeli culture.
- HappyPanacea 10mo agoYour comparison doesn't work because Vietnam War didn't start with Vietnam attacking USA, holding many hostages, the group leading the charge having religious ideology viewing Americans as second class citizens as well as people to ethnically cleanse, all while bordering USA.
- flyinglizard 10mo ago[flagged]
- beedeebeedee 10mo agoI’m a little confused as to which country Vietnam is in your comparison.
- HappyPanacea 10mo agoI'm not making a comparison I'm explaining why equating USA anti-war movement in Vietnam to Israel was a faulty comparison.
- megous 10mo ago10s of thousands of scum flew from all around the world from their comfy lives to Israel to enjoy participating in an attempt at total destruction of a nation composed in half from children, by starving them, bombing them, shooting them, and burying them alive. These were not conscripted in any way whatsoever. These 10s of thousands deserve full blame, and fuck them all.
- JumpCrisscross 10mo ago> how is it absurd? Humans build identities around their homes. It’s why any plan that involves relocation implicitly or explicitly requires violence. It’s absurd to suggest Israelis should effectively “self deport” from their homes. It’s unrealistic to the point that it’s effectively dismissing the problem instead of honestly engaging it.
- barbazoo 10mo agoLook up Zionism and settler violence. Israel is systematically taking land away, not the other way around.
- JumpCrisscross 10mo ago> Israel is systematically taking land away Sure. Not great. But also not relevant to charging individuals. If we’re to learn from Sykes and Picot, a good place to start would be in acknowledging the primacy of the living over the dead, and those on the ground over ideals from abroad. One conclusion from that is we shouldn’t be condemning men we’ve never met for actions they are only affiliated with.
- noduerme 10mo agoSo Russians who are dragooned into a war to destroy another country are victims of poverty, but Israelis who are conscripted and fighting a defensive war are not given the same benefit of the doubt... because they have businesses and families they have to leave for months at a time to defend their own existence? Leaving aside your warped sence of pity, which one's a society you'd rather live in?