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They’ve made peace with: Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, the UAE and Saudi. Hamas started the war because they were threatened by that. So no they don’t cultivate enemie

by nailer 11mo ago

They’ve made peace with: Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, the UAE and Saudi. Hamas started the war because they were threatened by that. So no they don’t cultivate enemies. Islamists that hate Jews for not being part of their empire hate them.

Cyph0n 11mo ago
And then subsequently ruined peace with 3/4 (Saudi never normalized). > Islamists that hate Jews for not being part of their empire hate them. That’s not even close to reality, but whatever helps you justify genocide I guess.
- SilverElfin 11mo ago
  Saudi didn’t normalize because Hamas prevented it. October 7 was designed to radicalize and prevent normalization of relations. You’re helping them by reframing a justifiable war of self defense against terrorists as a “genocide”.
  - Cyph0n 11mo ago
    Yes, they didn’t normalize, so they’re irrelevant to the peace equation floated by the person I replied to. So a genocidal campaign to level Gaza and cleanse it of its human anima- oops, I meant people, expand settlements in the WB, and occupy southern Lebanon and Syria in pursuit of a “Greater Israel” is self-defense. Makes total sense.
  - C6JEsQeQa5fCjE 11mo ago
    > Saudi didn’t normalize because Hamas prevented it. October 7 was designed to radicalize and prevent normalization of relations Hamas prevented it because Israel has no free will? Israel is doomed to only react to Hamas? Israel had an option to preserve their normalization and gain and keep the sympathy of the entire world. Instead they prefered to do annihilation and genocide.
    - nailer 10mo ago
      > Hamas prevented it because Israel has no free will? No. Hamas prevented it by creating another Arab Istraeli war. > Instead they prefered to do annihilation and genocide. No they didn't. You made that up. You can't have a genocide where the population increases that's a ridiculous thing to write.
- zenf 11mo ago
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- nailer 11mo ago
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  - Cyph0n 11mo ago
    If you have an open mind & are arguing in good faith - which based on your wording is probably not the case - then I will respond to your points. Not wasting my time otherwise given that we’re two years into this calamity.
amanaplanacanal 11mo ago
Of course the other side of that is that Israel hasn't exactly been kind to the Palestinians. They've been Annexing land in the West Bank and blockading Gaza for what now seems like forever. I can certainly understand why Palestinians might be pissed, even if some of their tactics are abhorrent.
- whimsicalism 11mo ago
  this is true, but i find it difficult to earnestly believe there would be some sizable decrease in violence in the counterfactual with no Gaza blockade. Settlements, sure.
  - j_maffe 11mo ago
    Well since their land got invaded, houses stolen and demolished, burial grounds defiled, poisened with chemical weapons, ethnically dispelled, and crammed onto a piece of land the size of a city , I'd get why they'd still be pissed at the current state of affairs. This did not start on October 7th.
    - nailer 11mo ago
      Arabs invaded and colonised Israel in 650. You can easily learn this from any textbook you like. Their land is 22 countries, the nearly entire middle east and north africa you can learn that for many map. Jews that were exiled to Iraq or Persia or Syria will be killed. You can learn this from any media you like that covers current affairs. You can also see that Gaza has many wide open spaces by looking at the satellite view on Google maps. People that wish to make a 23rd arab state and destroy the only Jewish state - as they proudly chant in the streets worldwide - generally propose doing this through violence you can learn this by looking at your own account history.
      - bigyabai 11mo ago
        > generally propose doing this through violence Non-violence is also an option. It's Israel that generally objects to international oversight, secular governance or reparation deals.
ekjhgkejhgk 11mo ago
The person you're responding to is making reference to the fact that Netanyahu props up Hamas because it's beneficial to his government. https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up...
j_maffe 11mo ago
They made peace with Egypt, Syria, and Lebanon by invading their lands (and attempting to annex them!) and then US forced their hands to make peace. Please mention the context of this great "peace" Israel has made. Israel's neighbors don't hate it solely because of antisemitism.
- immibis 11mo ago
  Idk man, that sounds like the reason is antisemitism. Why else would you oppose giving your land to Israel?

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Cyph0n 11mo ago

And then subsequently ruined peace with 3/4 (Saudi never normalized). > Islamists that hate Jews for not being part of their empire hate them. That’s not even close to reality, but whatever helps you justify genocide I guess.

SilverElfin 11mo ago
Saudi didn’t normalize because Hamas prevented it. October 7 was designed to radicalize and prevent normalization of relations. You’re helping them by reframing a justifiable war of self defense against terrorists as a “genocide”.
- Cyph0n 11mo ago
  Yes, they didn’t normalize, so they’re irrelevant to the peace equation floated by the person I replied to. So a genocidal campaign to level Gaza and cleanse it of its human anima- oops, I meant people, expand settlements in the WB, and occupy southern Lebanon and Syria in pursuit of a “Greater Israel” is self-defense. Makes total sense.
- C6JEsQeQa5fCjE 11mo ago
  > Saudi didn’t normalize because Hamas prevented it. October 7 was designed to radicalize and prevent normalization of relations Hamas prevented it because Israel has no free will? Israel is doomed to only react to Hamas? Israel had an option to preserve their normalization and gain and keep the sympathy of the entire world. Instead they prefered to do annihilation and genocide.
  - nailer 10mo ago
    > Hamas prevented it because Israel has no free will? No. Hamas prevented it by creating another Arab Istraeli war. > Instead they prefered to do annihilation and genocide. No they didn't. You made that up. You can't have a genocide where the population increases that's a ridiculous thing to write.
zenf 11mo ago
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nailer 11mo ago
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- Cyph0n 11mo ago
  If you have an open mind & are arguing in good faith - which based on your wording is probably not the case - then I will respond to your points. Not wasting my time otherwise given that we’re two years into this calamity.

amanaplanacanal 11mo ago

Of course the other side of that is that Israel hasn't exactly been kind to the Palestinians. They've been Annexing land in the West Bank and blockading Gaza for what now seems like forever. I can certainly understand why Palestinians might be pissed, even if some of their tactics are abhorrent.

whimsicalism 11mo ago
this is true, but i find it difficult to earnestly believe there would be some sizable decrease in violence in the counterfactual with no Gaza blockade. Settlements, sure.
- j_maffe 11mo ago
  Well since their land got invaded, houses stolen and demolished, burial grounds defiled, poisened with chemical weapons, ethnically dispelled, and crammed onto a piece of land the size of a city , I'd get why they'd still be pissed at the current state of affairs. This did not start on October 7th.
  - nailer 11mo ago
    Arabs invaded and colonised Israel in 650. You can easily learn this from any textbook you like. Their land is 22 countries, the nearly entire middle east and north africa you can learn that for many map. Jews that were exiled to Iraq or Persia or Syria will be killed. You can learn this from any media you like that covers current affairs. You can also see that Gaza has many wide open spaces by looking at the satellite view on Google maps. People that wish to make a 23rd arab state and destroy the only Jewish state - as they proudly chant in the streets worldwide - generally propose doing this through violence you can learn this by looking at your own account history.
    - bigyabai 11mo ago
      > generally propose doing this through violence Non-violence is also an option. It's Israel that generally objects to international oversight, secular governance or reparation deals.

ekjhgkejhgk 11mo ago

The person you're responding to is making reference to the fact that Netanyahu props up Hamas because it's beneficial to his government. https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up...

j_maffe 11mo ago

They made peace with Egypt, Syria, and Lebanon by invading their lands (and attempting to annex them!) and then US forced their hands to make peace. Please mention the context of this great "peace" Israel has made. Israel's neighbors don't hate it solely because of antisemitism.

immibis 11mo ago
Idk man, that sounds like the reason is antisemitism. Why else would you oppose giving your land to Israel?