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The notion that everyone conscripted into a war is guilty by default is absurd, but always inevitably comes out to play during the height of moral outrage.
by whimsicalism 10mo ago
The notion that everyone conscripted into a war is guilty by default is absurd, but always inevitably comes out to play during the height of moral outrage.
- yieldcrv 10mo agoright guys, it’s only like 80% of that population that has the ideology we don’t like and in the other 20%, many of them don’t get conscripted due to a religious exemption that includes being in a totally different ideology that has always disagreed with the other odds not looking good, speaking as a betting man, not one with any actual opinion just need my prediction market bet to hit
- whimsicalism 10mo agoWhat is the ideology we don’t like? I think it is easy to throw stones when the reality is that if your nation suffered a similar attack, many many people would get swept up in anger and outrage and retaliatory madness. What Israel is doing is wrong, but I don’t think it would be unique among developed states experiencing something similar.
- Swizec 10mo agoYes most people would fight back against foreign occupation
- whimsicalism 10mo ago[flagged]
- barbazoo 10mo agoZionism and violence against Palestineans predates the October attacks by a couple of decades.
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- cess11 10mo agoMore like a century.
- HappyPanacea 10mo ago[flagged]
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- JumpCrisscross 10mo agoThis game—who hurt whom first—doesn’t work outside the new world. It particularly fails in parts of the world that were prehistorically settled.
- HappyPanacea 10mo agoI also dislike this game but I didn't start this game - barbazoo did and he happened to be wrong so I had to correct him.
- ori_b 10mo agoZionism, as in the belief that Jews deserve self-determination as a nation?
- sporkxrocket 10mo ago[flagged]
- wk_end 10mo ago[flagged]
- barbazoo 10mo agoI can see how it would be controversial but how is it absurd? Especially in a first world country like Israel where people aren’t shackled by their poverty.
- whimsicalism 10mo agoBlameworthy in a similar way to how Vietnam vets are blameworthy.
- barbazoo 10mo agoMaybe we should be thinking differently about those too then. Or maybe the environment is different where one generation should “know better”, having lived through another 50 years of human development and ubiquitous access to information.
- beedeebeedee 10mo agoI don’t think your comparison works because Israel does not have a comparable anti-war movement that the US had during the Vietnam War. In fact, if the media is to be believed, there has been enthusiasm on the part of Israelis to take part in the fighting.
- whimsicalism 10mo agoWouldn’t that only make vietnam vets more blameworthy? There was a whole movement against it and they still chose to not give up their home/family and choose exile even when it was less stigmatized to do so.
- beedeebeedee 10mo agoThat’s an interesting point, and if we follow that logic, we move the blame from the Israeli soldiers and place it in totality on Israeli culture.
- HappyPanacea 10mo ago
- throwfaraway135 10mo agoMost movies and games about WW II, do depict killing German soldiers as justified, even in horrendous ways.
- derektank 10mo agoYou can think killing someone is justified without thinking they are morally culpable. There’s a reason the laws of war don’t endorse summary execution of surrendering combatants, beyond the practical benefits of encouraging more humane conduct towards your own troops.
- sporkxrocket 10mo ago[flagged]
- stevenhuang 10mo ago[flagged]