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“If you were a Russian soldier wouldn’t you rather work in administration in Moscow than invade and murder Ukrainians.” Sure but the real answer is try what yo

by barbazoo 10mo ago

“If you were a Russian soldier wouldn’t you rather work in administration in Moscow than invade and murder Ukrainians.” Sure but the real answer is try what you can to get the fuck out of there so you don’t have to do harm to someone you don’t even know.

everdrive 10mo ago
A fair point but in that situation it should would be nice to be a desk job while I was waiting for my visa to come through.
tokai 10mo ago
Russian soldiers are volunteers. They sign a contract. When money are involved many many people don't care about inflicting harm to others.
- codedokode 10mo ago
  Also convicts who can get out of jail early.
- barbazoo 10mo ago
  Volunteers? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_in_Russia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_in_Russia
  - vanviegen 10mo ago
    The ones at the Ukrainian front are volunteers.
    - konart 10mo ago
      Some of them. Some of them were mobilised.
      - tokai 10mo ago
        Every single russian at the front has signed a contract. Some might be force and most of them are dumb, but they are still volunteers and they could all have said no.
  - MangoToupe 10mo ago
    It's reservists who are conscripted, not civilians. This is in stark contrast to Ukraine, for instance.
codedokode 10mo ago
People in EU buy Russian natural gas and see no problem with it. What are you talking about.
- 127 10mo ago
  "People in EU" are Hungary and Slovakia for pipeline gas and crude oil. Belgium, France and Netherlands for LNG. Most see a huge problem with it and pledge to phase it out by 2027. Source: https://energyandcleanair.org/june-2025-monthly-analysis-of-russian-fossil-fuel-exports-and-sanctions/ https://energyandcleanair.org/june-2025-monthly-analysis-of-...
  - whimsicalism 10mo ago
    So EU nationals can’t even phase out their fully voluntary usage of gas for 5+ years because it would cost a bit more despite financing Ukrainian deaths, but conscripted soldiers are blameworthy because they didn’t abandon their home and everything they know to become a fugitive of their state rather than get conscripted?
    - codedokode 10mo ago
      To be fair, conscripted people did not take part in a war. The ones who take part are those involuntarily mobilized in 2022, well paid volunteers and convicts who get a pardon after serving for a certain time.
    - vanviegen 10mo ago
      > cost a bit more It's not (only) a matter of cost, but availability. People need fuel to heat their houses. In order to fully replace Russian gas, other facilities (like LNG container terminals) need to be built. That has been done and is being done, but is complex and not instant. Should it have been done before February 2022? Yeah, probably.
      - whimsicalism 10mo ago
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catlover76 10mo ago
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whimsicalism 10mo ago
The notion that everyone conscripted into a war is guilty by default is absurd, but always inevitably comes out to play during the height of moral outrage.
- yieldcrv 10mo ago
  right guys, it’s only like 80% of that population that has the ideology we don’t like and in the other 20%, many of them don’t get conscripted due to a religious exemption that includes being in a totally different ideology that has always disagreed with the other odds not looking good, speaking as a betting man, not one with any actual opinion just need my prediction market bet to hit
  - whimsicalism 10mo ago
    What is the ideology we don’t like? I think it is easy to throw stones when the reality is that if your nation suffered a similar attack, many many people would get swept up in anger and outrage and retaliatory madness. What Israel is doing is wrong, but I don’t think it would be unique among developed states experiencing something similar.
    - Swizec 10mo ago
      Yes most people would fight back against foreign occupation
      - whimsicalism 10mo ago
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    - barbazoo 10mo ago
      Zionism and violence against Palestineans predates the October attacks by a couple of decades.
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immibis 10mo ago
There isn't a single country on earth that doesn't despise refugees with every fiber of its metaphorical being.
- Ar-Curunir 10mo ago
  Calling a population that you forcibly displace from their homes “refugees” is certainly a choice. Not a correct one, but certainly a choice nonetheless.
  - Jensson 10mo ago
    In what way aren't they refugees? People forcibly displaced from their homes are refugees.
IncreasePosts 10mo ago
Pretty sure military aged males aren't allowed to just leave Russia at this point without prior approval. And sometimes are forcibly conscripted on the street

everdrive 10mo ago

A fair point but in that situation it should would be nice to be a desk job while I was waiting for my visa to come through.

tokai 10mo ago

Russian soldiers are volunteers. They sign a contract. When money are involved many many people don't care about inflicting harm to others.

codedokode 10mo ago
Also convicts who can get out of jail early.
barbazoo 10mo ago
Volunteers? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_in_Russia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_in_Russia
- vanviegen 10mo ago
  The ones at the Ukrainian front are volunteers.
  - konart 10mo ago
    Some of them. Some of them were mobilised.
    - tokai 10mo ago
      Every single russian at the front has signed a contract. Some might be force and most of them are dumb, but they are still volunteers and they could all have said no.
- MangoToupe 10mo ago
  It's reservists who are conscripted, not civilians. This is in stark contrast to Ukraine, for instance.

codedokode 10mo ago

People in EU buy Russian natural gas and see no problem with it. What are you talking about.

127 10mo ago
"People in EU" are Hungary and Slovakia for pipeline gas and crude oil. Belgium, France and Netherlands for LNG. Most see a huge problem with it and pledge to phase it out by 2027. Source: https://energyandcleanair.org/june-2025-monthly-analysis-of-russian-fossil-fuel-exports-and-sanctions/ https://energyandcleanair.org/june-2025-monthly-analysis-of-...
- whimsicalism 10mo ago
  So EU nationals can’t even phase out their fully voluntary usage of gas for 5+ years because it would cost a bit more despite financing Ukrainian deaths, but conscripted soldiers are blameworthy because they didn’t abandon their home and everything they know to become a fugitive of their state rather than get conscripted?
  - codedokode 10mo ago
    To be fair, conscripted people did not take part in a war. The ones who take part are those involuntarily mobilized in 2022, well paid volunteers and convicts who get a pardon after serving for a certain time.
  - vanviegen 10mo ago
    > cost a bit more It's not (only) a matter of cost, but availability. People need fuel to heat their houses. In order to fully replace Russian gas, other facilities (like LNG container terminals) need to be built. That has been done and is being done, but is complex and not instant. Should it have been done before February 2022? Yeah, probably.
    - whimsicalism 10mo ago
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catlover76 10mo ago

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whimsicalism 10mo ago

The notion that everyone conscripted into a war is guilty by default is absurd, but always inevitably comes out to play during the height of moral outrage.

yieldcrv 10mo ago
right guys, it’s only like 80% of that population that has the ideology we don’t like and in the other 20%, many of them don’t get conscripted due to a religious exemption that includes being in a totally different ideology that has always disagreed with the other odds not looking good, speaking as a betting man, not one with any actual opinion just need my prediction market bet to hit
- whimsicalism 10mo ago
  What is the ideology we don’t like? I think it is easy to throw stones when the reality is that if your nation suffered a similar attack, many many people would get swept up in anger and outrage and retaliatory madness. What Israel is doing is wrong, but I don’t think it would be unique among developed states experiencing something similar.
  - Swizec 10mo ago
    Yes most people would fight back against foreign occupation
    - whimsicalism 10mo ago
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  - barbazoo 10mo ago
    Zionism and violence against Palestineans predates the October attacks by a couple of decades.
    - deleted 10mo ago
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immibis 10mo ago

There isn't a single country on earth that doesn't despise refugees with every fiber of its metaphorical being.

Ar-Curunir 10mo ago
Calling a population that you forcibly displace from their homes “refugees” is certainly a choice. Not a correct one, but certainly a choice nonetheless.
- Jensson 10mo ago
  In what way aren't they refugees? People forcibly displaced from their homes are refugees.

IncreasePosts 10mo ago

Pretty sure military aged males aren't allowed to just leave Russia at this point without prior approval. And sometimes are forcibly conscripted on the street