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It's not an opt-out in the literal sense. Everyone is conscripted, and then based on ability people are placed into different units. If you were talented, would
by everdrive 10mo ago
It's not an opt-out in the literal sense. Everyone is conscripted, and then based on ability people are placed into different units. If you were talented, wouldn't you try to avoid getting put on patrol in Gaza or the West Bank?
- 4gotunameagain 10mo ago[flagged]
- bushbaba 10mo agoNo idea where you live. But I’d hope you’d fight for the safety of your family and neighbors. Thats literally all it means to be in the idf for most.
- TRiG_Ireland 10mo ago[flagged]
- 4gotunameagain 10mo ago[flagged]
- WrongAssumption 10mo agoIs that a position you've been in before? If so is that what you did?
- nailer 10mo agoThey’ve made peace with: Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, the UAE and Saudi. Hamas started the war because they were threatened by that. So no they don’t cultivate enemies. Islamists that hate Jews for not being part of their empire hate them.
- Cyph0n 10mo agoAnd then subsequently ruined peace with 3/4 (Saudi never normalized). > Islamists that hate Jews for not being part of their empire hate them. That’s not even close to reality, but whatever helps you justify genocide I guess.
- SilverElfin 10mo agoSaudi didn’t normalize because Hamas prevented it. October 7 was designed to radicalize and prevent normalization of relations. You’re helping them by reframing a justifiable war of self defense against terrorists as a “genocide”.
- Cyph0n 10mo agoYes, they didn’t normalize, so they’re irrelevant to the peace equation floated by the person I replied to. So a genocidal campaign to level Gaza and cleanse it of its human anima- oops, I meant people, expand settlements in the WB, and occupy southern Lebanon and Syria in pursuit of a “Greater Israel” is self-defense. Makes total sense.
- C6JEsQeQa5fCjE 10mo ago> Saudi didn’t normalize because Hamas prevented it. October 7 was designed to radicalize and prevent normalization of relations Hamas prevented it because Israel has no free will? Israel is doomed to only react to Hamas? Israel had an option to preserve their normalization and gain and keep the sympathy of the entire world. Instead they prefered to do annihilation and genocide.
- nailer 10mo ago> Hamas prevented it because Israel has no free will? No. Hamas prevented it by creating another Arab Istraeli war. > Instead they prefered to do annihilation and genocide. No they didn't. You made that up. You can't have a genocide where the population increases that's a ridiculous thing to write.
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- whimsicalism 10mo agoWhat Israel is doing is wrong, but the notion of ‘intentionally cultivating enemies’ seems pretty obviously ahistorical.
- xorcist 10mo agoIt might be a reference to Netanyahu and other high ranking people of Likud who has supported of Hamas for decades, both directly and indirectly via Qatar. It is uncontroversial and there is even a well researched Wikipedia article, but for obvious reasons only include what has happened in the open. Not taking part of Israel's politics, it was a bit surprising that this hasn't been more controversial but politics in the entire region is complicated, I guess. After all, the corruption in the prime minister's office did cause protests when it was exposed so clearly people care.
- bsaul 10mo ago[flagged]
- matsemann 10mo agoNo, virtually no one is supporting Hamas. Stop parroting that. Please allow me to be against genocide without accusing me of supporting a terrorist regime. It's dishonest. Thanks.
- the_af 10mo agoThis is not true. There are plenty of people horrified with both Israel and Hamas, and that while sympathizing with the plight of the Palestinians, think Hamas is hurting their chances of a peaceful solution. Many people think Israel's right-wing and Hamas need each other, a kind of symbiosis. (Netanyahu certainly needs Hamas to exist). Of course, the Israeli right wing wants to paint any opposition as pro Hamas anti semites. It's a time tested tactic.
- j_maffe 10mo agoThis is just some combination of a strawman and ad hominum. I'm sure you can come up with a better argument than that.
- C6JEsQeQa5fCjE 10mo ago> But I’d hope you’d fight for the safety of your family and neighbors. Thats literally all it means to be in the idf for most. This is a perpetual situation, given that Israel's pattern of territorial expansion is always military control over a new area, followed by settlement building. Since now there is a settlement with colonists living in it, now the same starting argument of "defending family and neighbours" applies, since you now need a "buffer zone" to keep the colonists safe, requiring more military control over a new area. Rinse and repeat, and Israelis are always in a situation to be forced to fight "for the safety of their family and neighbours". How convenient.
- j_maffe 10mo agoWell it looks like they derive some pleasure out of it: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/20/israelis-cheer-gaza-bombing https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/20/israelis-cheer...
- immibis 10mo agoThe way things are going right now, the IDF is trying to cause the total destruction of Israel. Making more enemies when you're already surrounded by enemies (that you made) is rarely a way to any kind of survival. There is only one thing still standing between Israel and complete annihilation, and that's an endless flood of US taxpayer dollars that is at risk of stopping any month now.
- nailer 10mo ago[flagged]
- barbazoo 10mo ago“If you were a Russian soldier wouldn’t you rather work in administration in Moscow than invade and murder Ukrainians.” Sure but the real answer is try what you can to get the fuck out of there so you don’t have to do harm to someone you don’t even know.
- everdrive 10mo agoA fair point but in that situation it should would be nice to be a desk job while I was waiting for my visa to come through.
- tokai 10mo agoRussian soldiers are volunteers. They sign a contract. When money are involved many many people don't care about inflicting harm to others.
- codedokode 10mo agoAlso convicts who can get out of jail early.
- barbazoo 10mo agoVolunteers? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_in_Russia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_in_Russia
- nailer 10mo ago[flagged]
- myth_drannon 10mo agoIt's the opposite, the most talented in every sense volonteer to fight in combat units in Gaza. Everyone who ends up in 8200 or any other non combat unit has some sort of reason health or family. Later there is some selection, so smart but most importantly extremely valuable experience that acts as a spring board into the startup world later on(cybersec or anything else).
- bigyabai 10mo agoConsidering how violently the Knesset is fighting over conscription, I seriously question this narrative you're presenting.
- balex 10mo agoHe's talking about the military filtering process. Who the military considers as "the best" depends on its needs. Simply put, if needs more fighting bodies, so that takes precedence. The Knesset is fighting over public opinion - who gets conscripted in the first place. It's who gets put through the funnel in the first place.
- sporkxrocket 10mo ago[flagged]
- lostlogin 10mo ago> everyone The details around that are a significant source of friction. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_in_Israel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_in_Israel