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>I've never seen Zivver used in German Healthcare. How would you even be sure of this just from what you can see from the outside? That doesn't mean your healt

>I've never seen Zivver used in German Healthcare. How would you even be sure of this just from what you can see from the outside? That doesn't mean your health insurance company isn't using Zivver internally same how they use Office 365 or SAP. It's not like they tell you all the SW they use.

hermanzegerman 10mo ago
Why would they use it internally? Internally, you have the Hospital Information System where you can look up all the informations you need. I can just say I know the inside of one of Germany's biggest Hospitals, since I'm a Doctor. And requesting Patient Data or giving it out to other Parties is unfortunately a Task that Doctors still have to do on their own And for communication with the outside world it's down to Fax, Phone or Letter. And that will be replaced with KIM in the future
- user_7832 10mo ago
  > Fax, Phone or Letter That's interesting because in The Netherlands most of my doctor's communications come through email (and zivver), followed by snail mail.
  - hermanzegerman 10mo ago
    Theoretically they could already send this via S/MIME encrypted Mail (KIM) to the family doctor, but most Hospitals haven't rolled out this service yet. They just started installing Card Readers for the Doctor Identity Cards, so they can issue electronic prescriptions For communication with Patients some Hospitals have Web Portals/Apps for getting/sending information.
    - user_7832 10mo ago
      That's pretty interesting. We have electronic prescriptions too (though it goes straight to the pharmacy however - we don't see it). As far as I know, I don't think the hospital portal has ever been used for communication like that. An email seems more "obvious" perhaps to the docs, and that's what they use most of the time.
      - hermanzegerman 10mo ago
        The Hospitals in NL that use Epic as EHR also have Patient Portals. But I don't know how much they get used https://www.umcutrecht.nl/en/login-patient-portal https://www.umcutrecht.nl/en/login-patient-portal

hermanzegerman 10mo ago

Why would they use it internally? Internally, you have the Hospital Information System where you can look up all the informations you need. I can just say I know the inside of one of Germany's biggest Hospitals, since I'm a Doctor. And requesting Patient Data or giving it out to other Parties is unfortunately a Task that Doctors still have to do on their own And for communication with the outside world it's down to Fax, Phone or Letter. And that will be replaced with KIM in the future

user_7832 10mo ago
> Fax, Phone or Letter That's interesting because in The Netherlands most of my doctor's communications come through email (and zivver), followed by snail mail.
- hermanzegerman 10mo ago
  Theoretically they could already send this via S/MIME encrypted Mail (KIM) to the family doctor, but most Hospitals haven't rolled out this service yet. They just started installing Card Readers for the Doctor Identity Cards, so they can issue electronic prescriptions For communication with Patients some Hospitals have Web Portals/Apps for getting/sending information.
  - user_7832 10mo ago
    That's pretty interesting. We have electronic prescriptions too (though it goes straight to the pharmacy however - we don't see it). As far as I know, I don't think the hospital portal has ever been used for communication like that. An email seems more "obvious" perhaps to the docs, and that's what they use most of the time.
    - hermanzegerman 10mo ago
      The Hospitals in NL that use Epic as EHR also have Patient Portals. But I don't know how much they get used https://www.umcutrecht.nl/en/login-patient-portal https://www.umcutrecht.nl/en/login-patient-portal