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He was the last cultured dude before tech made everyone into a superficial arrogant lmgtfy'er, disinterested in true discovery. (Heap your downvotes on me HN, I
by Papazsazsa 10mo ago
He was the last cultured dude before tech made everyone into a superficial arrogant lmgtfy'er, disinterested in true discovery. (Heap your downvotes on me HN, I've seen what makes you cheer!)
MY BOURDAIN LI.ST:
1) Masculinity without cringe: Tough, profane, credentialed through actual kitchen labor (not culinary school pedigree), but also emotionally literate, openly vulnerable, willing to cry on camera. He modeled a masculinity that wasn't apologetic but also wasn't performative.
2) Articulate outsider: Self-educated. Could reference Conrad, punk rock, and Apocalypse Now while maintaining blue-collar credibility. His book Kitchen Confidential read like a war memoir/crime novel.
3) Permission: He made it acceptable for men to care deeply about food, travel, culture -- interests traditionally female coded. The guy had done heroin and worked the line and was 'allowed' to opine about pho. This was before the internet or at least before the internet got ultra stupid.
4) Wanderer: Not tourism, not expat pretension, something closer to seeking, now dead thanks to social media influencers, and he was curious not escapist.
5) Recovery: Open about addiction, chaos, bad decisions. A redemption narrative for men who've made mistakes.
6) Tragic: Suicide landed hard because many recognized something in him of themselves in him.
P.S. He's more elder millennial/genx coded for a lot of reasons so don't feel bad about not getting it but definitely read his book and watch his show, it's different than the slop you're probably used to.
- itomato 10mo ago[flagged]
- Papazsazsa 10mo agoread Spinoza
- itomato 10mo agoHe attributes everything to God. I don’t think it’s relevant.
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- steveklabnik 10mo agoHe got kicked out of his religion for blasphemy. While he says “God” in a literal sense, his definition of such is certainly not in line with what most people consider to be God.
- soulofmischief 10mo agoWhat a privilege to not know depression.
- itomato 10mo agoYou assume too much
- soulofmischief 10mo agoYou might assume you have known depression, but you would not speak such cruelties had you truly experienced the depths of sadness that a human being is capable of feeling.
- rkachowski 10mo agoThe idea that suffering will somehow make you noble is quite awful. Depression isn't some kind of cleansing fire that opens you to empathy. It affects good people and assholes and people in every phase of life.
- soulofmischief 10mo agoIt doesn't have to make you noble, but there's a certain level of suffering experienced where you stop making comments such as that toward someone who's committed suicide.
- itomato 10mo agoStop? I’ve only begun.
- vasco 10mo agoThis is the no true scottsman fallacy of mental health. Oh my god if only you knew how worse it can get. Like you have no comparison, maybe what makes you despair and consider suicide won't make anyone else even budge. The same way you have no way of knowing if I see more or less intense green color, you cannot tell someone they haven't suffered enough.
- applebladee 10mo agoSo did Robin Williams and countless others. Practically everyone complains 24/7 about something or other, in a roundabout way you are doing it now.. Overall I fail to see your point.
- basisword 10mo agoI hope you never have to understand the difficulty and complexity of the so called "easy way out".
- itomato 10mo agoyou could explain yourself instead of making assumptions about me, but you don’t.
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- soulofmischief 10mo agoYou should either elaborate on this statement and back it with evidence, or withdraw it.
- Aurornis 10mo ago> He was the last cultured dude before tech made everyone into a I enjoyed Bourdain, but this level of hero worship is really excessive. Not to mention antithetical to much of what Bourdain stood for. He was enjoyable to read and watch, but claiming he "made it acceptable" for men to care about food, travel or culture is weird. He was an entertainer. An interesting guy. A great storyteller who lived an interesting life. Charismatic and fun to watch. But he was not the "last cultured dude" or some demarcation point between the past and present. Holding a celebrity and television personality up as the realest, most genuine person feels like missing the point. Everything you saw of this man was carefully crafted and curated. Even the "unfiltered" takes were designed to sell you on some story. You didn't know this man as a person or a friend.
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- Papazsazsa 10mo agoYou'd think otherwise if you ever had the steak frites at Les Halles.
- RajT88 10mo ago> 6) Tragic: Suicide landed hard because many recognized something in him of themselves in him. I would like to put it out there that his depression or whatever mental illness he had was on full display the whole time, and this probably resonated with people as well. A couple years back I started re-watching all of his shows, start to finish, after watching Roadrunner. Especially the early seasons, there was rarely an episode he didn't joke about dying, being killed, or killing himself. (In the film, there was a quote from Tony about how an acquaintance observed they'd never met someone who wanted to die so much) I think a lot of people picked up on that, and it made the whole the whole thing work. The grit, the machismo, the empathy for the plight of your fellow man. A lot of people who worked with him said he was an asshole, too. This is also not surprising that he would be at times when the cameras were off.
- lettergram 10mo agoBourdain actually joked about killing himself in the exact manner and location in, which he did. When I heard it happened, my wife and I both recalled the same times he'd mentioned it. It wasn't a surprise really. Bourdain had been referencing Hunter S Thompson and the way he went out for years. He'd also repeatedly mentioned wanting to go out in southern France after a great day. Bourdain generally had the same "vibe" as Thompson as well. Here's Thompson's last note to his wife: > No More Games. No More Bombs. No More Walking. No More Fun. No More Swimming. 67. That is 17 years past 50. 17 more than I needed or wanted. Boring. I am always bitchy. No Fun—for anybody. 67. You are getting Greedy. Act your old age. Relax — This won't hurt. To me, it wasn't a surprise at all. My wife and I even had discussed when we thought it would happen. The main thing about Bourdain was that people could relate to him and he wrote excellent prose. He seemed authentic and he went out on his terms, which is what he wanted and was the way he lived.
- RajT88 10mo ago> wanting to go out in southern France after a great day. By all accounts, it was a pretty shit day. I guess it'd have to be, hard to imagine wanting to go through with it while healthy and happy.
- xyzelement 10mo agoYour list is spot on. An interesting question is whether any of this is good and worthy of emulation. I've been treating Bourdain as an cautionary tale and a reminder to check one's own priorities rigorously. I asked google if he was religious, and got this: "He grew up in a home where God, sin, or damnation were never mentioned, leading to a lack of religious upbringing and belief, focusing instead on food, travel, and human connection." And I think that's kinda the issue. The elevation of food and travel to the status anywhere on the same plain as deep religion (which I do think was the case here) is not going to lead one to good places.
- kakacik 10mo agoAh, the good ol' self-righteousness of religious people and how they feel above others, morally and in other ways. I guess we can't have christmas without those, can we.
- datameta 10mo agoSo, to make sure I understand what you are saying - any person whose life is gripped by intense interest in something and simultaneously they are irreligious is lesser or on the wrong path?
- tayo42 10mo ago> He made it acceptable for men to care deeply about food, travel, culture That doesn't seem right. Tons of travel content existed before he got popular. Endless summer wasn't for women
- juddlyon 10mo agoI love Bourdain but wanted to note he did have a culinary school background. Also came from a wealthy family.