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Apple, for better or worse, has been able to use their size to pressure sites into accepting connections from their Private Relay service. If VPN usage becomes

Apple, for better or worse, has been able to use their size to pressure sites into accepting connections from their Private Relay service. If VPN usage becomes the norm, sites will have to give in eventually.

dansmith1919 10mo ago
Only one I have issues with is Ticketmaster, other than that I forget that it’s even on all the time
- simonklitj 10mo ago
  I can’t access Reddit on Mullvad via Tailscale
  - oldpersonintx2 10mo ago
    [dead]
  - jijijijij 10mo ago
    There are working end-points and they tend to be stable. If you find a Mullvad server which works with Reddit, you can configure a socks5 proxy for a Firefox container assigned to Reddit (or any domain). This way, Reddit will always use the connection of the working route and your general internet experience isn't affected otherwise. Eg. you can still switch around connections to find a working one for Youtube... Don't forget about this setting, since sometimes a Mullvad server is down temporarily and the container's assigned domains won't resolve (usually enough to count up/down the Mullvad proxy id). This will also prevent you from accessing Reddit without a Mullvad VPN connection. Socks5 proxy addresses can be found here: https://mullvad.net/en/servers https://mullvad.net/en/servers You need to prefix them with 'socks://'.
    - simonklitj 10mo ago
      This is a good shout. Thanks!
mdasen 10mo ago
It’s better than most VPNs, but the amount of Cloudflare challenges I get is really annoying. It’s a little weird because Apple has device attestation which is run via Cloudflare and Fastly. You’d think that would get you around the challenges, but that doesn’t seem to happen.
- Marsymars 10mo ago
  Presumably Cloudflare's answer to that would be to use Cloudflare warp. (i.e. they're not a neutral party.)
- h33t-l4x0r 10mo ago
  You should only get more challenges with VPN if the VPN users are abusing the websites. I actually get fewer CF challenges with NordVPN than without it.
Forgeties79 10mo ago
My bank app forces me to turn my VPN off. I’m not going to change my bank over that and I imagine most others do the same anyway or will eventually. I imagine many sites and services will just continue go “we’re gonna break this thing you need until you turn the vpn off.”
- h33t-l4x0r 10mo ago
  You can split tunnel most VPNs to let the bank through.
  - Forgeties79 10mo ago
    Not sure I can on an iPhone but yes on my desktop I’ve done that
supriyo-biswas 10mo ago
It’s not a VPN service in the usual sense, and does not allow you to change locations, and they also have a mapping of IP addresses and the served geographical users. I also assume being a service that requires an expensive device and that the browsing happen through Safari limits the abuse somewhat.

dansmith1919 10mo ago

Only one I have issues with is Ticketmaster, other than that I forget that it’s even on all the time

simonklitj 10mo ago
I can’t access Reddit on Mullvad via Tailscale
- oldpersonintx2 10mo ago
  [dead]
- jijijijij 10mo ago
  There are working end-points and they tend to be stable. If you find a Mullvad server which works with Reddit, you can configure a socks5 proxy for a Firefox container assigned to Reddit (or any domain). This way, Reddit will always use the connection of the working route and your general internet experience isn't affected otherwise. Eg. you can still switch around connections to find a working one for Youtube... Don't forget about this setting, since sometimes a Mullvad server is down temporarily and the container's assigned domains won't resolve (usually enough to count up/down the Mullvad proxy id). This will also prevent you from accessing Reddit without a Mullvad VPN connection. Socks5 proxy addresses can be found here: https://mullvad.net/en/servers https://mullvad.net/en/servers You need to prefix them with 'socks://'.
  - simonklitj 10mo ago
    This is a good shout. Thanks!

mdasen 10mo ago

It’s better than most VPNs, but the amount of Cloudflare challenges I get is really annoying. It’s a little weird because Apple has device attestation which is run via Cloudflare and Fastly. You’d think that would get you around the challenges, but that doesn’t seem to happen.

Marsymars 10mo ago
Presumably Cloudflare's answer to that would be to use Cloudflare warp. (i.e. they're not a neutral party.)
h33t-l4x0r 10mo ago
You should only get more challenges with VPN if the VPN users are abusing the websites. I actually get fewer CF challenges with NordVPN than without it.

Forgeties79 10mo ago

My bank app forces me to turn my VPN off. I’m not going to change my bank over that and I imagine most others do the same anyway or will eventually. I imagine many sites and services will just continue go “we’re gonna break this thing you need until you turn the vpn off.”

h33t-l4x0r 10mo ago
You can split tunnel most VPNs to let the bank through.
- Forgeties79 10mo ago
  Not sure I can on an iPhone but yes on my desktop I’ve done that

supriyo-biswas 10mo ago

It’s not a VPN service in the usual sense, and does not allow you to change locations, and they also have a mapping of IP addresses and the served geographical users. I also assume being a service that requires an expensive device and that the browsing happen through Safari limits the abuse somewhat.