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JD Vance: "You might try hiring Americans."

14 points by SilverElfin 11mo ago

akagusu 11mo ago
My usual question: why this was flagged?
SilverElfin 11mo ago
JD Vance responded to a lawsuit about the new $100,000 H1B visa fee imposed by the Trump administration with a condescending, aggressive reply on Twitter. It’s surprising to see this because JD Vance has been positioned as the tech industry / tech billionaire’s candidate. With immigrants founding half the Fortune 500 and leading many large companies and innovating in AI (like the attention paper), it seems like a huge mistake to encourage isolationist America First ideology. Worse, anti immigrant rhetoric is now encouraging racism and supremacist ideology in the mainstream. I wonder if JD Vance will regret this movement given he has a mixed race family.
- brazukadev 11mo ago
  I don't have a dog in this fight but one can definitely be pro tech and favor the local workforce.
- jmlavwh 11mo ago
  America First is not isolationist ("America Only" would be isolationist).
  - collingreen 11mo ago
    This reads about as good faith as "all lives matter" being shouted in the faces of people at "black lives matter" protests. I'd love to be wrong on this but so far there has been a lot of egregious isolationist behavior that doesn't match up with something I would personally support as "America First". A truly good faith policy of non-isolationist, non-hate-based "America First" would come down hard on falsely imprisoning us citizens, destroying us soft power, abusing us allies, manic tarrifs (even without the billions in insider trading happening around them), blatant corruption, selling pardons, and the massive waste and diversion of us tax money. These things hurt America; honest shepherds don't cover up for wolves in the flock. I think most us folks would support the idea that our government should help our country as the number one priority. It would be nice if all we debated was which policies to use and on which timescales to focus. Ironically, the current "America first" approach you're trying to gaslight about is actually putting a bad taste in folks' mouths and hurting any honest cause wanting to push this forward.
- tsoukase 11mo ago
  I imagine blocking new immigrant talent favors existing mega corps, because it avoids founding any new Google or a similar competitive startup. While the corp is able to sacrifice a 20-day salary for a dedicated new bright employee. Or subtract the sum from his future salary.
- deadlinermusic 11mo ago
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toomuchtodo 11mo ago
[flagged]
- SilverElfin 11mo ago
  What is he right about?
  - toomuchtodo 11mo ago
    Hire Americans first before importing more immigrant workers. When America reaches full employment (which we are a long way from as of this comment), feel free to tap other countries. If you are in US public office, and advocating for or fighting for more immigration while American workers are desperate for work, you should be run out of office, at a minimum. Your duty is to the citizens you represent, not corporations, not foreign workers, and certainly not a small population of the wealthy who receive the gains from increased shareholder value from imported immigrant workers.
    - SilverElfin 11mo ago
      That doesn’t seem right. You would just not have any immigrants at all, because full employment is not possible, and many companies will move elsewhere or shutdown if they cannot get the right talent here. And then people will wonder why there are so few employers. Running a business is already very difficult and risky. It just wouldn’t be worth it for many employers. Also the reality is that a lot of American workers are simply not employable in the industry they want to be in. It’s not a question of cost - H1B visa workers are paid slightly more on average. The most important American companies - like big tech - pay immigrant workers the same as anyone else. And to be honest I don’t think training is an issue. For example there are thousands of unemployed engineers who have a degree - but still aren’t fundamentally skilled enough for most companies to want to hire them. Many of those people are blaming immigrants for their unemployment but I don’t think they’re correct. I do agree that it’s ideal to support the current residents. But I just don’t think it’s realistic to see every single one of them employed in the best jobs. Maybe the best we can do is improve our investments in education?
    - 11mo ago
rvz 11mo ago
If you really want to hire the "best and brightest" it should be worth paying the 100K fee to bring that 'talent' into the US if that equivalent skill can't be found in the US. Instead these companies will just layoff Americans and relocate their tech offices in the one country (India) that takes up more than 75% of the H1B pool. (I wonder why?) Is the 75% of that pool really the most elite "best and brightest" such that it warrants not hiring a US citizen? Or is the true reason that the purchasing power of a US employee is far higher than a H1B from India as long as they're cheap and can be overworked since rebelling means deportation which you can't do to a US citizen? Those preaching "best and brightest" were also the same ones offshoring their critical technologies and secrets overseas to the low quality engineers just to cuts costs. What it actually does it causes billion dollar problems.
- deadlinermusic 11mo ago
  [dead]
jleyank 11mo ago
I didn't think there's a surplus of doctors, nurses and other medical professionals in the US (or any country). Partially due to the expense of training and partially due to resistance from the (self-)licensing organization unwilling to kill their future income. I'm also not sure there's a surplus of PhD's in the chemistry or biology areas to feed places like biotech, pharm, academia and related startups. To satisfy such positions, people are looking at 12 + 5 + 2 post HS education. And then there's the scut work nobody seems to want to do - somebody has to pick in the fields, shred those chickens, ... And Connor and Maddie never seem to be interested in jobs at this level. Will the governments step in to prevent companies from offshoring? Will people pay more at Walmart?
- SilverElfin 11mo ago
  I’ve seen numerous accounts on Twitter that push visa bans - often far right supremacist accounts - that are also pushing to denaturalize existing citizens who were previously immigrants, and yes, to ban or heavily tax offshoring.

14 points by SilverElfin 11mo ago

My usual question: why this was flagged?

JD Vance responded to a lawsuit about the new $100,000 H1B visa fee imposed by the Trump administration with a condescending, aggressive reply on Twitter. It’s surprising to see this because JD Vance has been positioned as the tech industry / tech billionaire’s candidate. With immigrants founding half the Fortune 500 and leading many large companies and innovating in AI (like the attention paper), it seems like a huge mistake to encourage isolationist America First ideology. Worse, anti immigrant rhetoric is now encouraging racism and supremacist ideology in the mainstream. I wonder if JD Vance will regret this movement given he has a mixed race family.

brazukadev 11mo ago
I don't have a dog in this fight but one can definitely be pro tech and favor the local workforce.
jmlavwh 11mo ago
America First is not isolationist ("America Only" would be isolationist).
- collingreen 11mo ago
  This reads about as good faith as "all lives matter" being shouted in the faces of people at "black lives matter" protests. I'd love to be wrong on this but so far there has been a lot of egregious isolationist behavior that doesn't match up with something I would personally support as "America First". A truly good faith policy of non-isolationist, non-hate-based "America First" would come down hard on falsely imprisoning us citizens, destroying us soft power, abusing us allies, manic tarrifs (even without the billions in insider trading happening around them), blatant corruption, selling pardons, and the massive waste and diversion of us tax money. These things hurt America; honest shepherds don't cover up for wolves in the flock. I think most us folks would support the idea that our government should help our country as the number one priority. It would be nice if all we debated was which policies to use and on which timescales to focus. Ironically, the current "America first" approach you're trying to gaslight about is actually putting a bad taste in folks' mouths and hurting any honest cause wanting to push this forward.
tsoukase 11mo ago
I imagine blocking new immigrant talent favors existing mega corps, because it avoids founding any new Google or a similar competitive startup. While the corp is able to sacrifice a 20-day salary for a dedicated new bright employee. Or subtract the sum from his future salary.
deadlinermusic 11mo ago
[dead]

toomuchtodo 11mo ago

[flagged]

SilverElfin 11mo ago
What is he right about?
- toomuchtodo 11mo ago
  Hire Americans first before importing more immigrant workers. When America reaches full employment (which we are a long way from as of this comment), feel free to tap other countries. If you are in US public office, and advocating for or fighting for more immigration while American workers are desperate for work, you should be run out of office, at a minimum. Your duty is to the citizens you represent, not corporations, not foreign workers, and certainly not a small population of the wealthy who receive the gains from increased shareholder value from imported immigrant workers.
  - SilverElfin 11mo ago
    That doesn’t seem right. You would just not have any immigrants at all, because full employment is not possible, and many companies will move elsewhere or shutdown if they cannot get the right talent here. And then people will wonder why there are so few employers. Running a business is already very difficult and risky. It just wouldn’t be worth it for many employers. Also the reality is that a lot of American workers are simply not employable in the industry they want to be in. It’s not a question of cost - H1B visa workers are paid slightly more on average. The most important American companies - like big tech - pay immigrant workers the same as anyone else. And to be honest I don’t think training is an issue. For example there are thousands of unemployed engineers who have a degree - but still aren’t fundamentally skilled enough for most companies to want to hire them. Many of those people are blaming immigrants for their unemployment but I don’t think they’re correct. I do agree that it’s ideal to support the current residents. But I just don’t think it’s realistic to see every single one of them employed in the best jobs. Maybe the best we can do is improve our investments in education?
  - 11mo ago

rvz 11mo ago

If you really want to hire the "best and brightest" it should be worth paying the 100K fee to bring that 'talent' into the US if that equivalent skill can't be found in the US. Instead these companies will just layoff Americans and relocate their tech offices in the one country (India) that takes up more than 75% of the H1B pool. (I wonder why?) Is the 75% of that pool really the most elite "best and brightest" such that it warrants not hiring a US citizen? Or is the true reason that the purchasing power of a US employee is far higher than a H1B from India as long as they're cheap and can be overworked since rebelling means deportation which you can't do to a US citizen? Those preaching "best and brightest" were also the same ones offshoring their critical technologies and secrets overseas to the low quality engineers just to cuts costs. What it actually does it causes billion dollar problems.

deadlinermusic 11mo ago
[dead]

jleyank 11mo ago

I didn't think there's a surplus of doctors, nurses and other medical professionals in the US (or any country). Partially due to the expense of training and partially due to resistance from the (self-)licensing organization unwilling to kill their future income. I'm also not sure there's a surplus of PhD's in the chemistry or biology areas to feed places like biotech, pharm, academia and related startups. To satisfy such positions, people are looking at 12 + 5 + 2 post HS education. And then there's the scut work nobody seems to want to do - somebody has to pick in the fields, shred those chickens, ... And Connor and Maddie never seem to be interested in jobs at this level. Will the governments step in to prevent companies from offshoring? Will people pay more at Walmart?

SilverElfin 11mo ago
I’ve seen numerous accounts on Twitter that push visa bans - often far right supremacist accounts - that are also pushing to denaturalize existing citizens who were previously immigrants, and yes, to ban or heavily tax offshoring.