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Am I supposed to be mad at twitter for forcing me to use their unreliable link shortener? How is this any different from the countless times twitter.com was do

Am I supposed to be mad at twitter for forcing me to use their unreliable link shortener? How is this any different from the countless times twitter.com was down? It's a centralized service, things happen.

joebadmo 14y ago
Which is why we shouldn't use centralized services like Twitter. I'm rooting for http://tent.io/ http://tent.io/ myself.
- digitalengineer 14y ago
  However, if someone places a shortened url via tent you'd still not be able to click the link if the shorten-service is down.
lloeki 14y ago
> Am I supposed to be mad at twitter for forcing me to use their unreliable link shortener? Yes. > How is this any different from the countless times twitter.com was down? This is different because if I read a tweet cached in my client or archived somewhere I can't reach an external resource because a middleman is down. > It's a centralized service, things happen. The WWW is decentralized by design. Link shorteners, and reliance on them, make it obnoxiously centralized. The tweet itself should contain the full link and shorten it only on display [0] [1]. [0] https://alpha.app.net/marco/post/783814 https://alpha.app.net/marco/post/783814 [1] https://alpha.app.net/marco/post/783881 https://alpha.app.net/marco/post/783881
- gjulianm 14y ago
  Actually... https://dev.twitter.com/docs/tweet-entities https://dev.twitter.com/docs/tweet-entities The tweet response contains the full link.
  - lloeki 14y ago
    Interesting. So, why is (apparently) everyone — including Twitter — sending us through t.co? Example here[0] where you can see Twitter displays "mlkshk.com/r/K29L.jpeg" in the tweet, downright lies to you when hovering over it with "http://mlkshk.com/r/K29L.jpeg http://mlkshk.com/r/K29L.jpeg while the real href is http://t.co/fqxnG84t http://t.co/fqxnG84t. So, WWW broken. [0] https://twitter.com/xkcdrss/status/255158017253838848 https://twitter.com/xkcdrss/status/255158017253838848
    - gjulianm 14y ago
      I imagine that Twitter sends you through t.co for tracking and analytics purposes. But a lot of Twitter clients just send you to the full URL. (By the way, I have to check if Twitter forbids bypassing t.co shortened URLs in third party clients). EDIT: As I supposed, the display requirements say that the clients should send the user through t.co https://dev.twitter.com/terms/display-requirements https://dev.twitter.com/terms/display-requirements
      - jaggederest 14y ago
        And that's why we should be mad at twitter. Sorted.

joebadmo 14y ago

Which is why we shouldn't use centralized services like Twitter. I'm rooting for http://tent.io/ http://tent.io/ myself.

digitalengineer 14y ago
However, if someone places a shortened url via tent you'd still not be able to click the link if the shorten-service is down.

lloeki 14y ago

> Am I supposed to be mad at twitter for forcing me to use their unreliable link shortener? Yes. > How is this any different from the countless times twitter.com was down? This is different because if I read a tweet cached in my client or archived somewhere I can't reach an external resource because a middleman is down. > It's a centralized service, things happen. The WWW is decentralized by design. Link shorteners, and reliance on them, make it obnoxiously centralized. The tweet itself should contain the full link and shorten it only on display [0] [1]. [0] https://alpha.app.net/marco/post/783814 https://alpha.app.net/marco/post/783814 [1] https://alpha.app.net/marco/post/783881 https://alpha.app.net/marco/post/783881

gjulianm 14y ago
Actually... https://dev.twitter.com/docs/tweet-entities https://dev.twitter.com/docs/tweet-entities The tweet response contains the full link.
- lloeki 14y ago
  Interesting. So, why is (apparently) everyone — including Twitter — sending us through t.co? Example here[0] where you can see Twitter displays "mlkshk.com/r/K29L.jpeg" in the tweet, downright lies to you when hovering over it with "http://mlkshk.com/r/K29L.jpeg http://mlkshk.com/r/K29L.jpeg while the real href is http://t.co/fqxnG84t http://t.co/fqxnG84t. So, WWW broken. [0] https://twitter.com/xkcdrss/status/255158017253838848 https://twitter.com/xkcdrss/status/255158017253838848
  - gjulianm 14y ago
    I imagine that Twitter sends you through t.co for tracking and analytics purposes. But a lot of Twitter clients just send you to the full URL. (By the way, I have to check if Twitter forbids bypassing t.co shortened URLs in third party clients). EDIT: As I supposed, the display requirements say that the clients should send the user through t.co https://dev.twitter.com/terms/display-requirements https://dev.twitter.com/terms/display-requirements
    - jaggederest 14y ago
      And that's why we should be mad at twitter. Sorted.