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I agree. The railway now is mean, willing to prosecute, unhelpful and expensive I've read various accounts of people trying to reclaim lost baggage and it's a

I agree. The railway now is mean, willing to prosecute, unhelpful and expensive I've read various accounts of people trying to reclaim lost baggage and it's a Kafkaesque process designed to be totally useless But the railway operators are 50% nationalised now. Northern, TransPennine, South West Railway, LNER, Greater Anglia, c2c, ScotRail, Southeastern, TfW are all government owned. And the forerunner in increasing fares the last couple of years has been...the government. They renationalised various operators during and after COVID and are now busy decreasing rail subsidies and increasing fares. (yes even with the freezing of some fares in April. It's only some fares. And prices had been going up multiple times a year in many places for a few years. There is a wider picture and other schemes happening pushing up prices) Maybe Great British Rail will slowly and surely return us to a less mean system. Time will tell

hermitcrab 10mo ago
The UK railways are expensive, and I have a car, so I very rarely go by train. But all those road trips cost everyone else, in terms of congestion, pollution etc. Maybe the railways should be regarded as critical infrastructure, run at a loss and subsidised accordingly.
- _puk 10mo ago
  You mean nationalised? You realise even the subsidies go to pay Canadian pension funds [0] 0: https://weownit.org.uk/who-owns-our/railways https://weownit.org.uk/who-owns-our/railways
  - hermitcrab 10mo ago
    yes, nationalized and subsidised.
_puk 10mo ago
Brings back memories of a recent 16 year old stood in tears whilst they took her details to prosecute her because she was travelling on a child ticket "but my mum always bought me a ticket". No mercy. Fuck those guys. Same guy that stung me for not having a ticket when every other day they'd come round and let me buy a ticket on the train.. I even went to the window at the destination for a ticket, and then got referred for a penalty fare. Fuck that guy.
- hexbin010 10mo ago
  Yeah for many years the railway would let a lot of things slide even though they've had the legal right to prosecute. Many people find out the hard way just how many legal powers the railway has (they have even more they could enforce, such as dropping litter, or playing music, or being inebriated - criminal offencs with no excuse) The social contract of buying a ticket and behaving in return for good customer service has broken down, it's gone. It's really the entire of the UK at this point.
tubs 10mo ago
I left my bag on a train recently. I’m not sure I can describe “describe the bag using an online questionnaire that took about two minutes to complete” as Kafkaesque… bag returned in a little under one week.
- hexbin010 10mo ago
  Did you try contacting someone to get back sooner? That's what the people did in the cases I referenced - just people not answering the phones, dead lines, "computer says no”, passed around, refusal to help etc I guess you being somewhat fine with waiting a week meant nothing important was in the bag. The trouble with the UK is we continue to put up with the bar getting lower and lower each year. Honestly someone would defend it taking a month to get a bag back as being fine

hermitcrab 10mo ago

The UK railways are expensive, and I have a car, so I very rarely go by train. But all those road trips cost everyone else, in terms of congestion, pollution etc. Maybe the railways should be regarded as critical infrastructure, run at a loss and subsidised accordingly.

_puk 10mo ago
You mean nationalised? You realise even the subsidies go to pay Canadian pension funds [0] 0: https://weownit.org.uk/who-owns-our/railways https://weownit.org.uk/who-owns-our/railways
- hermitcrab 10mo ago
  yes, nationalized and subsidised.

_puk 10mo ago

Brings back memories of a recent 16 year old stood in tears whilst they took her details to prosecute her because she was travelling on a child ticket "but my mum always bought me a ticket". No mercy. Fuck those guys. Same guy that stung me for not having a ticket when every other day they'd come round and let me buy a ticket on the train.. I even went to the window at the destination for a ticket, and then got referred for a penalty fare. Fuck that guy.

hexbin010 10mo ago
Yeah for many years the railway would let a lot of things slide even though they've had the legal right to prosecute. Many people find out the hard way just how many legal powers the railway has (they have even more they could enforce, such as dropping litter, or playing music, or being inebriated - criminal offencs with no excuse) The social contract of buying a ticket and behaving in return for good customer service has broken down, it's gone. It's really the entire of the UK at this point.

tubs 10mo ago

I left my bag on a train recently. I’m not sure I can describe “describe the bag using an online questionnaire that took about two minutes to complete” as Kafkaesque… bag returned in a little under one week.

hexbin010 10mo ago
Did you try contacting someone to get back sooner? That's what the people did in the cases I referenced - just people not answering the phones, dead lines, "computer says no”, passed around, refusal to help etc I guess you being somewhat fine with waiting a week meant nothing important was in the bag. The trouble with the UK is we continue to put up with the bar getting lower and lower each year. Honestly someone would defend it taking a month to get a bag back as being fine