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>If this is how it is, then Section 230 is essentially a dead law already and losing it only affects old fashioned blogs and forums. But blogs and forums shoul

by thfuran 10mo ago

>If this is how it is, then Section 230 is essentially a dead law already and losing it only affects old fashioned blogs and forums. But blogs and forums should be able to exist.

lesuorac 10mo ago
Curating HN to only be tech-specific topics is protected by 230. Literally the history of 230 is there were 2 lawsuits [1]. 1. Website was sued over having "defamatory" content posted by a user and website won because they had no moderation (minus illegal stuff). 2. Website was sued over having "defamatory" content posted by a user and website lost because they had moderation (curated to be "family friendly"). Politicians (and less importantly, the general public) like the idea of websites being able to be "family friendly". So forums and blogs can still exist but if you do any sort of not strictly legally required moderation you have legal liability for all content without 230. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_230#Background_and_passage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_230#Background_and_pas...
- Bjartr 10mo ago
  > not strictly legally required moderation Ah, so this is a way to make us "need" to enshrine moderation opinion into legislation in order to have nice things
  - krapp 10mo ago
    It's going to be fun watching HN, which is full of people who support this sort of thing (and even more extreme regulations to boot,) deal with the ramifications of this forum's guidelines and moderation policies being de facto illegal. It won't even be "turning into Reddit" it's all going to turn into 4chan.
- dragonwriter 10mo ago
  > So forums and blogs can still exist but if you do any sort of not strictly legally required moderation you have legal liability for all content without 230. Which means the consequence for any mistake on sticking exactly to the bounds of legally mandatory moderation is enormous liability (either massive civil liability if you go slightly beyond the bounds of the minimum, or given the source of most minimums catastrophic criminal liability if you fall below it); the only realistic approach at non-trivial scale is just not to allow UGC except at the level you are willing to edit as if it were first party content you were going to be fully responsible for.
- amanaplanacanal 10mo ago
  You missed a group: advertisers. They care about what content their ads appear next to. Exciting times. It will be interesting to see how this all shakes out.

by thfuran 10mo ago

>If this is how it is, then Section 230 is essentially a dead law already and losing it only affects old fashioned blogs and forums. But blogs and forums should be able to exist.

lesuorac 10mo ago

Curating HN to only be tech-specific topics is protected by 230. Literally the history of 230 is there were 2 lawsuits [1]. 1. Website was sued over having "defamatory" content posted by a user and website won because they had no moderation (minus illegal stuff). 2. Website was sued over having "defamatory" content posted by a user and website lost because they had moderation (curated to be "family friendly"). Politicians (and less importantly, the general public) like the idea of websites being able to be "family friendly". So forums and blogs can still exist but if you do any sort of not strictly legally required moderation you have legal liability for all content without 230. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_230#Background_and_passage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_230#Background_and_pas...

Bjartr 10mo ago
> not strictly legally required moderation Ah, so this is a way to make us "need" to enshrine moderation opinion into legislation in order to have nice things
- krapp 10mo ago
  It's going to be fun watching HN, which is full of people who support this sort of thing (and even more extreme regulations to boot,) deal with the ramifications of this forum's guidelines and moderation policies being de facto illegal. It won't even be "turning into Reddit" it's all going to turn into 4chan.
dragonwriter 10mo ago
> So forums and blogs can still exist but if you do any sort of not strictly legally required moderation you have legal liability for all content without 230. Which means the consequence for any mistake on sticking exactly to the bounds of legally mandatory moderation is enormous liability (either massive civil liability if you go slightly beyond the bounds of the minimum, or given the source of most minimums catastrophic criminal liability if you fall below it); the only realistic approach at non-trivial scale is just not to allow UGC except at the level you are willing to edit as if it were first party content you were going to be fully responsible for.
amanaplanacanal 10mo ago
You missed a group: advertisers. They care about what content their ads appear next to. Exciting times. It will be interesting to see how this all shakes out.