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As a mostly back end dev Elm looked really nice but all the conflict with the creator and then the lack of compiler releases made me shy away a bit. I have bum

by tempest_ 10mo ago

As a mostly back end dev Elm looked really nice but all the conflict with the creator and then the lack of compiler releases made me shy away a bit. I have bumped into "the Elm architecture" in other projects though and it was nice.

styluss 10mo ago
Which conflicts? Gleam seems to be released often?
- OtomotO 10mo ago
  The elm drama
rapind 10mo ago
> all the conflict with the creator Just so no one misunderstands this. The creator (Evan) didn't get into, or start, any drama himself that I ever noticed. I'd argue he's a very chill and nice dude. I've been on the edges of the community for probably a decade now (lurker), and all of the drama came from other people who simply didn't like the BDFL and slow releases strategy.
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scuff3d 10mo ago
Yeah I'm not a front end dev but I do kind of keep track of what's going on in that space. From what I saw it seemed Elm was all but dead. Maybe that's not true, but that was the impression from the outside looking in.
- culi 10mo ago
  https://iselmdead.info/ https://iselmdead.info/ I can't believe this is still up tbh. And I can't believe there's still people defending Elm's lack of development > It’s true that there hasn’t been a new release of the Elm compiler for some time. That’s on purpose: it’s essentially feature-complete. Last talk I saw by Evan Czaplicki (from the 2025 Scala Days conf) he seemed to be working on some sort of database language https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OtN4iiFBsQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OtN4iiFBsQ
  - scuff3d 10mo ago
    I get the sentiment. He feels like everything he wants is there so it doesn't need much more development. But it still feels off.
  - tasuki 10mo ago
    > And I can't believe there's still people defending Elm's lack of development Why? (I'm one such person defending Elm's lack of development)
    - scuff3d 10mo ago
      From the outside the project honestly does look kind of dead, what's your take on the development and community?
      - tasuki 10mo ago
        The project is kind of dead but the community is alive!
aryonoco 10mo ago
Not many people use elm directly but it has influenced the design of so many frameworks and libraries. Right now I’m toying with the idea of building a GNOME application in rust, and the framework I’m using is relm4 which provides elm like abstractions over gtk-rs. Previously I’ve built web applications with F# and elmish, which again provides elm like abstractions for building F# applications.
- scuff3d 10mo ago
  The Roc programing language is being developed because Richard Feldman wanted an Elm like experience in more places then just the front end.
tasuki 10mo ago
> the lack of compiler releases I'm a backend dev mostly and use Elm for all my frontend needs. Yes there are some things compiler-side that could be improved, but basically it's fine. I appreciate not having to keep up with new releases!

styluss 10mo ago

Which conflicts? Gleam seems to be released often?

OtomotO 10mo ago
The elm drama

rapind 10mo ago

> all the conflict with the creator Just so no one misunderstands this. The creator (Evan) didn't get into, or start, any drama himself that I ever noticed. I'd argue he's a very chill and nice dude. I've been on the edges of the community for probably a decade now (lurker), and all of the drama came from other people who simply didn't like the BDFL and slow releases strategy.

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scuff3d 10mo ago

Yeah I'm not a front end dev but I do kind of keep track of what's going on in that space. From what I saw it seemed Elm was all but dead. Maybe that's not true, but that was the impression from the outside looking in.

culi 10mo ago
https://iselmdead.info/ https://iselmdead.info/ I can't believe this is still up tbh. And I can't believe there's still people defending Elm's lack of development > It’s true that there hasn’t been a new release of the Elm compiler for some time. That’s on purpose: it’s essentially feature-complete. Last talk I saw by Evan Czaplicki (from the 2025 Scala Days conf) he seemed to be working on some sort of database language https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OtN4iiFBsQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OtN4iiFBsQ
- scuff3d 10mo ago
  I get the sentiment. He feels like everything he wants is there so it doesn't need much more development. But it still feels off.
- tasuki 10mo ago
  > And I can't believe there's still people defending Elm's lack of development Why? (I'm one such person defending Elm's lack of development)
  - scuff3d 10mo ago
    From the outside the project honestly does look kind of dead, what's your take on the development and community?
    - tasuki 10mo ago
      The project is kind of dead but the community is alive!

aryonoco 10mo ago

Not many people use elm directly but it has influenced the design of so many frameworks and libraries. Right now I’m toying with the idea of building a GNOME application in rust, and the framework I’m using is relm4 which provides elm like abstractions over gtk-rs. Previously I’ve built web applications with F# and elmish, which again provides elm like abstractions for building F# applications.

scuff3d 10mo ago
The Roc programing language is being developed because Richard Feldman wanted an Elm like experience in more places then just the front end.

tasuki 10mo ago

> the lack of compiler releases I'm a backend dev mostly and use Elm for all my frontend needs. Yes there are some things compiler-side that could be improved, but basically it's fine. I appreciate not having to keep up with new releases!